I am afraid I need to take a break from this discussion, and this forum.
This is probably completely off point, but I see a nation, half of the members of which are happy to believe the testimony of a woman who says she went to a party 36 years ago, with friends she can't remember, and at a house she can't locate, where she was assaulted by a high school boy she absolutely remembers, and was then driven home by people she can't remember, and then failed to report the incident, until she did remember, maybe, many years later in a therapist's office, but this is murky, too.
Half a nation beats its breast, breasts over this story.
Meanwhile over in CEI world, 15 years of evidence, first person accounts, reports, sharing, research studies exchanged and discussed, indicates that certain groups, call them what one likes, consistently generate certain kinds of behavior toward members deemed no longer in good standing. Some of this behavior is apparently 'believable', taken on faith, as being deeply harmful to victims, while other aspects of it require doctoral dissertations to 'prove', or police reports, and court dockets.
As I have tried to indicate, I am not so much interested in the personalities of sundry 'group' leaders, but more in the induction and indoctrination templates that seem to be employed over and over, and the damage done, and WHY any society would tolerate this.
At the end of the day, I am more interested in the enablers of this behavior, e.g. the psychologist I visited over and over to discuss ETHICAL issues I saw mounting in my field, and who could never quite say, X, Y, or Z is behaving unethically; or the compliance officers I provided detailed accounts to, as did many others, and who could never quite allow that their group is dysfunctional in at least 'one' location...bad for the brand, don't you know. The attorneys I consulted 'got' the issue, but could not see a way for an individual to take it on. This issue, in at least my case, is systemic, and negatively affects countless stakeholders, but the harm is diffuse, and the stakeholders difficult to organize.
I've come to see it as kind of a collective moral/ethical collapse...for which nobody, but everybody is accountable.
I don't really have anything else to say, but thanks to all for listening.
bakkagirl
This is probably completely off point, but I see a nation, half of the members of which are happy to believe the testimony of a woman who says she went to a party 36 years ago, with friends she can't remember, and at a house she can't locate, where she was assaulted by a high school boy she absolutely remembers, and was then driven home by people she can't remember, and then failed to report the incident, until she did remember, maybe, many years later in a therapist's office, but this is murky, too.
Half a nation beats its breast, breasts over this story.
Meanwhile over in CEI world, 15 years of evidence, first person accounts, reports, sharing, research studies exchanged and discussed, indicates that certain groups, call them what one likes, consistently generate certain kinds of behavior toward members deemed no longer in good standing. Some of this behavior is apparently 'believable', taken on faith, as being deeply harmful to victims, while other aspects of it require doctoral dissertations to 'prove', or police reports, and court dockets.
As I have tried to indicate, I am not so much interested in the personalities of sundry 'group' leaders, but more in the induction and indoctrination templates that seem to be employed over and over, and the damage done, and WHY any society would tolerate this.
At the end of the day, I am more interested in the enablers of this behavior, e.g. the psychologist I visited over and over to discuss ETHICAL issues I saw mounting in my field, and who could never quite say, X, Y, or Z is behaving unethically; or the compliance officers I provided detailed accounts to, as did many others, and who could never quite allow that their group is dysfunctional in at least 'one' location...bad for the brand, don't you know. The attorneys I consulted 'got' the issue, but could not see a way for an individual to take it on. This issue, in at least my case, is systemic, and negatively affects countless stakeholders, but the harm is diffuse, and the stakeholders difficult to organize.
I've come to see it as kind of a collective moral/ethical collapse...for which nobody, but everybody is accountable.
I don't really have anything else to say, but thanks to all for listening.
bakkagirl
