lastsmile,
I can understand your anger and upset given that this is your child which these workshops have unfortunately damaged, and so severely, and I'm quite sure that if you could, you would take the damage caused to her upon yourself and sacrifice whatever it takes to get your daughter back to how you last remember her at her happiest.
I don't doubt that or even question it for a second and to me, how you feel is completely justified and valid.
I'm not going to say that I know how you feel or defend the workshop and it's proponents either.
It's bizarre at best.
The amount of people that such workshops may have helped or benefited are just as real as those who have been hurt and suffered from them.
And that is the unfortunate shadow or flip side of the same coin that very few people get to see or discuss, like I said just look at all the wonderful reviews available in abundance online as opposed to those, like on this forum, of participants who derived absolutely no benefit - perhaps even a marked decrease in the quality of their lives afterwards.
I don't blame you and I agree that the issue you raise is a very pertinent and important one, what about those who are worse off after the workshop/s than they were before?
Where do they go?
Who will understand?
Who can they talk to?
I can recommend a psychologist who deals with such cases if you like that I spoke to before I attended the workshops out of my own skepticism.
It's very difficult to find professionals in this country who can assist in this regard, let alone even know of such kinds of workshops.
A question I have for you, however, is why your daughter attended or even saw the need to attend such workshops if she was perfectly well off and fine before them?
I only ask because I myself would never have even considered Turning Point or JoySpring if it weren't for the situation I found myself in late last year/earlier this year and it wasn't a good one at all..
Another question, you seem to talk about the workshops from a personal viewpoint..almost as if you've attended them yourself or your daughter has told you in detail what takes place in them, which confuses me.
I get the idea that your daughter believes she has benefited somehow from these workshops but this doesn't show in her mental and emotional state currently, nor does it show in how you speak of the workshops for someone on the outside?
Don't take this personally, this is my skeptical nature coming through after reading your last post.
Lastly, for my own purposes and for some clarification, what I paid for and what I got out of the workshop is purely my business and so is what I have to say about it.
I don't expect you to know or understand what that is either from your position but there's no need to bash it from my side you know.
I'm sorry for your daughter, but you don't need to drag me through the same hurt and pain you are suffering just because I feel differently and actually derived some benefit.
Doesn't mean I support or encourage it, but let me speak for myself freely here.
I get that you're angry and could keep going on no doubt, but what's more important for you now is to look for solutions for your daughter and that is probably why this forum is here to some degree.
I can recommend more solutions that have worked for me if you are interested and the current options if hospitals and doctors just aren't working out.
I can understand why they wouldn't.
Let me know how I or we as a collective can help you.
I can understand your anger and upset given that this is your child which these workshops have unfortunately damaged, and so severely, and I'm quite sure that if you could, you would take the damage caused to her upon yourself and sacrifice whatever it takes to get your daughter back to how you last remember her at her happiest.
I don't doubt that or even question it for a second and to me, how you feel is completely justified and valid.
I'm not going to say that I know how you feel or defend the workshop and it's proponents either.
It's bizarre at best.
The amount of people that such workshops may have helped or benefited are just as real as those who have been hurt and suffered from them.
And that is the unfortunate shadow or flip side of the same coin that very few people get to see or discuss, like I said just look at all the wonderful reviews available in abundance online as opposed to those, like on this forum, of participants who derived absolutely no benefit - perhaps even a marked decrease in the quality of their lives afterwards.
I don't blame you and I agree that the issue you raise is a very pertinent and important one, what about those who are worse off after the workshop/s than they were before?
Where do they go?
Who will understand?
Who can they talk to?
I can recommend a psychologist who deals with such cases if you like that I spoke to before I attended the workshops out of my own skepticism.
It's very difficult to find professionals in this country who can assist in this regard, let alone even know of such kinds of workshops.
A question I have for you, however, is why your daughter attended or even saw the need to attend such workshops if she was perfectly well off and fine before them?
I only ask because I myself would never have even considered Turning Point or JoySpring if it weren't for the situation I found myself in late last year/earlier this year and it wasn't a good one at all..
Another question, you seem to talk about the workshops from a personal viewpoint..almost as if you've attended them yourself or your daughter has told you in detail what takes place in them, which confuses me.
I get the idea that your daughter believes she has benefited somehow from these workshops but this doesn't show in her mental and emotional state currently, nor does it show in how you speak of the workshops for someone on the outside?
Don't take this personally, this is my skeptical nature coming through after reading your last post.
Lastly, for my own purposes and for some clarification, what I paid for and what I got out of the workshop is purely my business and so is what I have to say about it.
I don't expect you to know or understand what that is either from your position but there's no need to bash it from my side you know.
I'm sorry for your daughter, but you don't need to drag me through the same hurt and pain you are suffering just because I feel differently and actually derived some benefit.
Doesn't mean I support or encourage it, but let me speak for myself freely here.
I get that you're angry and could keep going on no doubt, but what's more important for you now is to look for solutions for your daughter and that is probably why this forum is here to some degree.
I can recommend more solutions that have worked for me if you are interested and the current options if hospitals and doctors just aren't working out.
I can understand why they wouldn't.
Let me know how I or we as a collective can help you.