Hi James
I thought you should know that the world now knows that you are corrupt, and that you've contributed to the suffering of millions of people. In addition to lying about scientific studies demonstrating the benefits of these highly abusive trainings (and anyone who views that YouTube clip and looks at our correspondence will see you for the liar that you are), you also lied about research demonstrating that people who take these trainings are "more empathic". Since these trainings advocate a level of internal locus of control beyond what any reasonable person would accept (they advocate taking responsibility for things like being raped or being in concentration camps), and since the evidence is clear that those with a strong internal locus of control are likely to be LESS EMPATHIC, it seems that you will say anything that that rapist Erhard tells you to say. I'm waiting for a public apology, and if you think that you, or Erhard, can intimidate me, I'd strongly suggest that you watch this clip...
[youtu.be]
I will die before I let you or Erhard harm another person. You should be ashamed of yourself.
John Hunter
±27 84 688 8042
(The evidence of your corruption is already out there, so good luck trying to backtrack ;)
On Monday, 13 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
Dr James Doty of Stanford University blatantly lying about est/Landmark/LGATs:
[youtu.be]
In it he states (starting at about 06:54):
“And if you’ve followed… est… if you’ve seen the power of the Landmark Forum… even today… where hundreds of thousands of lives are changed… you’ll understand this (…) Innumerable studies have been done that have demonstrated… very scientifically… the extraordinary positive effect that est and these types of trainings have really had on people and changed… really millions of lives…”
(Download the video... as I have... as, of course, it will be taken down as soon as this is exposed...)
Here is some information relating to his claims, and my correspondence with Dr Doty regarding these claims:
My Ph.D. research shows that the only peer-reviewed study on est, the Forum, or the Landmark Forum, was an extensive study on the Forum, conducted with the support of Werner Erhard, in 1989 (this was right near the end of est and the Forum… since Landmark was formed in 1991) (Fisher, Silver, Chinsky, Goff, & et al, 1989). It showed that short-term (a few weeks later) positive effects of participation were minimal, and that long-term positive effects were non-existent:
“The short-term outcome analysis revealed that only perceived control was affected by Forum participation, and no long-term treatment effects were observed” (Fisher et al., p. 747).
It can be assumed that Landmark Worldwide would list the most scientific studies providing evidence of its effectiveness on its website (under the section “Independent Research”); however, none of the studies published on its website are peer-reviewed (published in academic journals) and are, quite frankly, laughable… so Dr. Doty’s comment that “Innumerable studies have been done that have demonstrated… very scientifically… the extraordinary positive effect that est and these types of trainings have really had on people and changed… really millions of lives” seemed to be demonstrably untrue. I emailed Dr. Doty on the 10th March 2019 (using a pseudonym… Emmanuel Goldstein… and a different account… egoldstein@yahoo.com) to request that he refer me to some of these “innumerable studies”. His response provides amazing evidence, suggesting that Erhard/Landmark pay authorities (like Raymond Fowler) to endorse them, assuming no one will check.
10 March 15:19
To: jrdoty@stanford.edu; aali@stanford.edu
Dear Dr. Doty
I am interested in the studies you referred to in your talk with Werner Erhard that I saw on youtube. At the moment, the studies I have seen are the ones on the Landmark Worldwide website.
Please let me know where I can find other studies that have ‘demonstrated very scientifically the positive effect that est and these types of trainings have on people.’
Yours sincerely
Emmanuel Goldstein
(Because there was no response in several days, I sent another email)
16 March 09:43
To: jrdoty@stanford.edu; aali@stanford.edu
Dear Dr. Doty
I’m not sure if you missed my last mail (see below)? I’m interested in peer-reviewed studies on the effectiveness of programs like the est training and the Landmark Forum. You said that there were innumerable such studies showing these positive effects, yet I can’t find any. The only peer-reviewed study on the effects of the Forum that I’ve been able to find (Psychological Effects of Participation in a Large Group Awareness Training, 1989, by Fisher et al.) found almost no short-term effects and no long-term effects. Please point me towards some of the studies you referred to when speaking with Werner Erhard
Sincerely,
Emmanuel Goldstein
(He did respond to this email)
16 March 2020 (12:35)
No studies have yet been completed so there is nothing published as well as (t)he final study design and sign off is not complete. I'm not sure where you found the quote, 'demonstrated very scientifically the positive effect that est and these types of trainings have on people.'. It was not from me. I know of no such study; only anecdotal statements.
James R. Doty, M.D.
Professor of Neurosurgery
Founder & Director,
The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE)
Stanford University School of Medicine
(A few minutes later he sent this…)
16 March 2020 (12:37)
If the quote is from me, which I don't recall, it was not true ...
James R. Doty, M.D.
Professor of Neurosurgery
Founder & Director,
The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE)
Stanford University School of Medicine
Anyone who does not take action to stop this abuse is complicit. As you can see, I do not respect authority figures and I no longer care about the approval of these supposed authorities. Only a bullet will stop me, and this will just make me a martyr. The world will find out about these abusive seminars. You need to decide which side of this you want to be on.
John
On Tuesday, 7 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
When my students, who don't know me as well as some of you do, found out that I was battling with my mental health I received so many emails expressing concern and love. My second year students even made a video for me...
[youtu.be]
I have begged all of you for help. Begged. I did not get a single word of encouragement from any of you, although you all know about my diagnosis and my behavior was that of a person in incredible pain (George Floyd... Ahem...) While I begged for help, and told all of you that dealing with this thing might kill me, you chose to ignore me and rationalise your indifference. I don't think you are all evil - in fact, I thank all of you in my foreword (except you Professor Durheim, which was an oversight. You were an amazing supervisor). Can you not see that all of your knowledge is worthless if you can treat someone who is clearly suffering with such indifference?
13 If I speak in the tongues[a](A) of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy(B) and can fathom all mysteries(C) and all knowledge,(D) and if I have a faith(E) that can move mountains,(F) but do not have love, I am nothing.
I love all of you.
On Friday, 3 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
I would like to sincerely apologise for my behaviour over the last few weeks. All of you know that I have a severe mental illness, and some of you know me quite well, so please excuse me for suggesting that you could do more. Of course, you are nothing like those police officers, who sat with their hands in their pockets while George Floyd was begging for help. Of course, you would have done something. It is, as someone pointed out to me, completely unacceptable for me to suggest that you are like other people... susceptible to the bystander effect and, since you have much more important things to do, it is disrespectful for me to think that you should drop what you're doing to help me.
I would also just like to sincerely thank those of you who have reached out to me to make sure that I'm okay. I'm glad you could look past your dented egos and recognise that, perhaps, I'm just not well and that a kind word was what I really needed.
Love from
John
[youtu.be]
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
David Rosenhan would be chuckling quietly to himself...
Fox reviewed this usage of material from Fight Club and removed the copyright claim...
It's 6 mins and 33 seconds of your lives...
[www.youtube.com]
I'm holding you all accountable for every person that is harmed in one of these trainings going forward.
On Friday, 26 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
This man (JS Ondara) is, perhaps, a prophet?
"Will you dare to hear those children marching on the street?"
"When the time it is sweet, it won't matter who your God is... or the tone of your skin... or who you choose to share your love with..."
(From a song called 'God Bless America'... from an album called 'The Second Coming'... released on the 15th of February 2019...)
Yes, I realise this sounds delusional.
P.s. This footage is now on YouTube...
[youtu.be]
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
It's strange how we think that the bystander effect only applies to other people...
This is the full 90-minute documentary from 2012:
[www.dropbox.com]
-----Original Message-----
From: J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com>
To: collings@ukzn.ac.za <collings@ukzn.ac.za>; cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za <cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za>; sapolsky@stanford.edu <sapolsky@stanford.edu>; lross@stanford.edu <lross@stanford.edu>; marc.fisher@washpost.com <marc.fisher@washpost.com>; mark.solms@uct.ac.za <mark.solms@uct.ac.za>; spurrett@ukzn.ac.za <spurrett@ukzn.ac.za>; haakenj@pdx.edu <haakenj@pdx.edu>; howellsfleur@gmail.com <howellsfleur@gmail.com>; sljohnson@berkeley.edu <sljohnson@berkeley.edu>; Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu <Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu>; durrheim@ukzn.ac.za <durrheim@ukzn.ac.za>
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2020 7:52 pm
Subject: Re: The God Hypothesis - Mental Illness, Manipulation, and the Cost of Conscience
I made a statement in the foreword that was unfair to some of the people who were brave enough to film George Floyd's murder. The truth is that I only forced myself to watch that footage after I'd written the foreword, so I've corrected this. I gave this book to my dad yesterday (he's the person who I wrote the poem "Success" about... and at that point I had not been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, so he's even more amazing than I was able to communicate back in 2003), and so this is the official version.
Please don't sit - like those police officers - with your hands in your pockets. You all know that if no one steps forward to help me, the weight of this burden will crush me. You don't have to engage with me - I realise that I'm fairly persistent (to put it mildly) and that I would annoy you forever if you responded to me - but just forward this book and the link to this footage to someone who can help. Given what I've done to put this all together, I don't think I'm asking much.
[www.dropbox.com]
Please help me.
-----Original Message-----
From: J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com>
To: collings@ukzn.ac.za <collings@ukzn.ac.za>; cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za <cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za>; sapolsky@stanford.edu <sapolsky@stanford.edu>; lross@stanford.edu <lross@stanford.edu>; marc.fisher@washpost.com <marc.fisher@washpost.com>; mark.solms@uct.ac.za <mark.solms@uct.ac.za>; spurrett@ukzn.ac.za <spurrett@ukzn.ac.za>; haakenj@pdx.edu <haakenj@pdx.edu>; howellsfleur@gmail.com <howellsfleur@gmail.com>; sljohnson@berkeley.edu <sljohnson@berkeley.edu>; Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu <Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu>; durrheim@ukzn.ac.za <durrheim@ukzn.ac.za>
Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2020 6:42 am
Subject: The God Hypothesis - Mental Illness, Manipulation, and the Cost of Conscience
Because you have all provided me with support while doing this work, I wanted to share the final version of my book with you. I am aware that I'm at least somewhat manic right now (perhaps it's more serious than that); however, I ask that you don't filter everything that I've written through this lens... and rather consider the evidence. For the sake of my own mental health, I need to stop working on this for a while; however, over the last ten years, you have all treated me with sensitivity and kindness and I trust that... if what I have written is crazy... you will protect me from the consequences of this impulsive gesture.
Kind regards,
John Hunter
I thought you should know that the world now knows that you are corrupt, and that you've contributed to the suffering of millions of people. In addition to lying about scientific studies demonstrating the benefits of these highly abusive trainings (and anyone who views that YouTube clip and looks at our correspondence will see you for the liar that you are), you also lied about research demonstrating that people who take these trainings are "more empathic". Since these trainings advocate a level of internal locus of control beyond what any reasonable person would accept (they advocate taking responsibility for things like being raped or being in concentration camps), and since the evidence is clear that those with a strong internal locus of control are likely to be LESS EMPATHIC, it seems that you will say anything that that rapist Erhard tells you to say. I'm waiting for a public apology, and if you think that you, or Erhard, can intimidate me, I'd strongly suggest that you watch this clip...
[youtu.be]
I will die before I let you or Erhard harm another person. You should be ashamed of yourself.
John Hunter
±27 84 688 8042
(The evidence of your corruption is already out there, so good luck trying to backtrack ;)
On Monday, 13 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
Dr James Doty of Stanford University blatantly lying about est/Landmark/LGATs:
[youtu.be]
In it he states (starting at about 06:54):
“And if you’ve followed… est… if you’ve seen the power of the Landmark Forum… even today… where hundreds of thousands of lives are changed… you’ll understand this (…) Innumerable studies have been done that have demonstrated… very scientifically… the extraordinary positive effect that est and these types of trainings have really had on people and changed… really millions of lives…”
(Download the video... as I have... as, of course, it will be taken down as soon as this is exposed...)
Here is some information relating to his claims, and my correspondence with Dr Doty regarding these claims:
My Ph.D. research shows that the only peer-reviewed study on est, the Forum, or the Landmark Forum, was an extensive study on the Forum, conducted with the support of Werner Erhard, in 1989 (this was right near the end of est and the Forum… since Landmark was formed in 1991) (Fisher, Silver, Chinsky, Goff, & et al, 1989). It showed that short-term (a few weeks later) positive effects of participation were minimal, and that long-term positive effects were non-existent:
“The short-term outcome analysis revealed that only perceived control was affected by Forum participation, and no long-term treatment effects were observed” (Fisher et al., p. 747).
It can be assumed that Landmark Worldwide would list the most scientific studies providing evidence of its effectiveness on its website (under the section “Independent Research”); however, none of the studies published on its website are peer-reviewed (published in academic journals) and are, quite frankly, laughable… so Dr. Doty’s comment that “Innumerable studies have been done that have demonstrated… very scientifically… the extraordinary positive effect that est and these types of trainings have really had on people and changed… really millions of lives” seemed to be demonstrably untrue. I emailed Dr. Doty on the 10th March 2019 (using a pseudonym… Emmanuel Goldstein… and a different account… egoldstein@yahoo.com) to request that he refer me to some of these “innumerable studies”. His response provides amazing evidence, suggesting that Erhard/Landmark pay authorities (like Raymond Fowler) to endorse them, assuming no one will check.
10 March 15:19
To: jrdoty@stanford.edu; aali@stanford.edu
Dear Dr. Doty
I am interested in the studies you referred to in your talk with Werner Erhard that I saw on youtube. At the moment, the studies I have seen are the ones on the Landmark Worldwide website.
Please let me know where I can find other studies that have ‘demonstrated very scientifically the positive effect that est and these types of trainings have on people.’
Yours sincerely
Emmanuel Goldstein
(Because there was no response in several days, I sent another email)
16 March 09:43
To: jrdoty@stanford.edu; aali@stanford.edu
Dear Dr. Doty
I’m not sure if you missed my last mail (see below)? I’m interested in peer-reviewed studies on the effectiveness of programs like the est training and the Landmark Forum. You said that there were innumerable such studies showing these positive effects, yet I can’t find any. The only peer-reviewed study on the effects of the Forum that I’ve been able to find (Psychological Effects of Participation in a Large Group Awareness Training, 1989, by Fisher et al.) found almost no short-term effects and no long-term effects. Please point me towards some of the studies you referred to when speaking with Werner Erhard
Sincerely,
Emmanuel Goldstein
(He did respond to this email)
16 March 2020 (12:35)
No studies have yet been completed so there is nothing published as well as (t)he final study design and sign off is not complete. I'm not sure where you found the quote, 'demonstrated very scientifically the positive effect that est and these types of trainings have on people.'. It was not from me. I know of no such study; only anecdotal statements.
James R. Doty, M.D.
Professor of Neurosurgery
Founder & Director,
The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE)
Stanford University School of Medicine
(A few minutes later he sent this…)
16 March 2020 (12:37)
If the quote is from me, which I don't recall, it was not true ...
James R. Doty, M.D.
Professor of Neurosurgery
Founder & Director,
The Center for Compassion and Altruism Research and Education (CCARE)
Stanford University School of Medicine
Anyone who does not take action to stop this abuse is complicit. As you can see, I do not respect authority figures and I no longer care about the approval of these supposed authorities. Only a bullet will stop me, and this will just make me a martyr. The world will find out about these abusive seminars. You need to decide which side of this you want to be on.
John
On Tuesday, 7 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
When my students, who don't know me as well as some of you do, found out that I was battling with my mental health I received so many emails expressing concern and love. My second year students even made a video for me...
[youtu.be]
I have begged all of you for help. Begged. I did not get a single word of encouragement from any of you, although you all know about my diagnosis and my behavior was that of a person in incredible pain (George Floyd... Ahem...) While I begged for help, and told all of you that dealing with this thing might kill me, you chose to ignore me and rationalise your indifference. I don't think you are all evil - in fact, I thank all of you in my foreword (except you Professor Durheim, which was an oversight. You were an amazing supervisor). Can you not see that all of your knowledge is worthless if you can treat someone who is clearly suffering with such indifference?
13 If I speak in the tongues[a](A) of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy(B) and can fathom all mysteries(C) and all knowledge,(D) and if I have a faith(E) that can move mountains,(F) but do not have love, I am nothing.
I love all of you.
On Friday, 3 July 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
I would like to sincerely apologise for my behaviour over the last few weeks. All of you know that I have a severe mental illness, and some of you know me quite well, so please excuse me for suggesting that you could do more. Of course, you are nothing like those police officers, who sat with their hands in their pockets while George Floyd was begging for help. Of course, you would have done something. It is, as someone pointed out to me, completely unacceptable for me to suggest that you are like other people... susceptible to the bystander effect and, since you have much more important things to do, it is disrespectful for me to think that you should drop what you're doing to help me.
I would also just like to sincerely thank those of you who have reached out to me to make sure that I'm okay. I'm glad you could look past your dented egos and recognise that, perhaps, I'm just not well and that a kind word was what I really needed.
Love from
John
[youtu.be]
On Sunday, 28 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
David Rosenhan would be chuckling quietly to himself...
Fox reviewed this usage of material from Fight Club and removed the copyright claim...
It's 6 mins and 33 seconds of your lives...
[www.youtube.com]
I'm holding you all accountable for every person that is harmed in one of these trainings going forward.
On Friday, 26 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
This man (JS Ondara) is, perhaps, a prophet?
"Will you dare to hear those children marching on the street?"
"When the time it is sweet, it won't matter who your God is... or the tone of your skin... or who you choose to share your love with..."
(From a song called 'God Bless America'... from an album called 'The Second Coming'... released on the 15th of February 2019...)
Yes, I realise this sounds delusional.
P.s. This footage is now on YouTube...
[youtu.be]
On Wednesday, 24 June 2020 J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com> wrote:
It's strange how we think that the bystander effect only applies to other people...
This is the full 90-minute documentary from 2012:
[www.dropbox.com]
-----Original Message-----
From: J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com>
To: collings@ukzn.ac.za <collings@ukzn.ac.za>; cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za <cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za>; sapolsky@stanford.edu <sapolsky@stanford.edu>; lross@stanford.edu <lross@stanford.edu>; marc.fisher@washpost.com <marc.fisher@washpost.com>; mark.solms@uct.ac.za <mark.solms@uct.ac.za>; spurrett@ukzn.ac.za <spurrett@ukzn.ac.za>; haakenj@pdx.edu <haakenj@pdx.edu>; howellsfleur@gmail.com <howellsfleur@gmail.com>; sljohnson@berkeley.edu <sljohnson@berkeley.edu>; Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu <Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu>; durrheim@ukzn.ac.za <durrheim@ukzn.ac.za>
Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2020 7:52 pm
Subject: Re: The God Hypothesis - Mental Illness, Manipulation, and the Cost of Conscience
I made a statement in the foreword that was unfair to some of the people who were brave enough to film George Floyd's murder. The truth is that I only forced myself to watch that footage after I'd written the foreword, so I've corrected this. I gave this book to my dad yesterday (he's the person who I wrote the poem "Success" about... and at that point I had not been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, so he's even more amazing than I was able to communicate back in 2003), and so this is the official version.
Please don't sit - like those police officers - with your hands in your pockets. You all know that if no one steps forward to help me, the weight of this burden will crush me. You don't have to engage with me - I realise that I'm fairly persistent (to put it mildly) and that I would annoy you forever if you responded to me - but just forward this book and the link to this footage to someone who can help. Given what I've done to put this all together, I don't think I'm asking much.
[www.dropbox.com]
Please help me.
-----Original Message-----
From: J Hunter <johnhun1@aol.com>
To: collings@ukzn.ac.za <collings@ukzn.ac.za>; cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za <cartwrightd@ukzn.ac.za>; sapolsky@stanford.edu <sapolsky@stanford.edu>; lross@stanford.edu <lross@stanford.edu>; marc.fisher@washpost.com <marc.fisher@washpost.com>; mark.solms@uct.ac.za <mark.solms@uct.ac.za>; spurrett@ukzn.ac.za <spurrett@ukzn.ac.za>; haakenj@pdx.edu <haakenj@pdx.edu>; howellsfleur@gmail.com <howellsfleur@gmail.com>; sljohnson@berkeley.edu <sljohnson@berkeley.edu>; Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu <Andrew.Newberg@jefferson.edu>; durrheim@ukzn.ac.za <durrheim@ukzn.ac.za>
Sent: Tue, Jun 16, 2020 6:42 am
Subject: The God Hypothesis - Mental Illness, Manipulation, and the Cost of Conscience
Because you have all provided me with support while doing this work, I wanted to share the final version of my book with you. I am aware that I'm at least somewhat manic right now (perhaps it's more serious than that); however, I ask that you don't filter everything that I've written through this lens... and rather consider the evidence. For the sake of my own mental health, I need to stop working on this for a while; however, over the last ten years, you have all treated me with sensitivity and kindness and I trust that... if what I have written is crazy... you will protect me from the consequences of this impulsive gesture.
Kind regards,
John Hunter