Hello 0123.george,
You are not the only one experiencing this! There are others. Have a look at the other thread on Real Love - it can be found in "Cults, Sects and New Religious Movements" under the title Real Love.
I too fully feel the same as you do and have made a promise to be there for anyone who eventually gets out of Real Love and sees the light for what it is and what has happened to them - Mind Control, Persuasive Coercion and Psychological Influence techniques as well as psychological re-evaluation. The sad thing is that people pulled in to Real Love DON'T know that they have been mentally manipulated, they totally believe that we who are not fooled into doing it are the one's who are sad, insane, needing love, blind, being a victim or whatever, and that they are somehow saved.
The main thing to remember with mind-control is that where medical professionals, mental heath therapists, psychiatrists, psychological counsellors etc. MUST by law tell a patient/client that they would like to use a particular technique on them and get their permission first. The patient then has to be told what that technique is, what it sets out to achieve and any long-term effects or negatives to the use of the technique. The patient has the right to say NO, to delay, or whatever. But the main thing is that the patient is empowered about what is going to happen to THEIR mind, THEIR property. The clear difference with cults, Real Love being no exception, is that they DON'T ASK PERMISSION and just go ahead using all these techniques unsafely. Unqualified people doing psychological work. Posing as a life coach! It is not just all the mind-control methods being used all over the place in Real Love, in order to manipulate people such as your family member, that are damaging and yes as you say causing potential future mental health problems - as it most definitely will, but the fact that not being professionals certain methods are carried out harmfully. By this I refer to the 'Intervention'. A health professional knows how to 'read' a person right there in front of them, and understand them - not the same when done over the phone!!! Health professionals will open up the mind 'safely' and only bring out enough to be dealt with for that person for a period of time (at least a week, often longer) so that they can assimilate what has happened and understand things. They also know when to stop the process and to close the mind down safely so that it is not open to manipulation by others. Real Love doesn't know what the hell it is doing, and reject any idea that they are working psychologically. Sadly, your family member has been absorbed into Real Love as you say. That is a good description of what happens.
What we have to remember is that none of this is their fault. None at all. They don't need to be blamed, mocked, or judged for their actions. Instead we just need to keep loving them no matter how much we get rejected and labelled. Real love happens naturally and spontaneously, not due to a set of principles devised by someone. What you do need to do is to read some books on cults. I have read Rick Ross's 'Cults Inside Out' as well as many others, including 'Cults in our Midst', 'Take Back Your Life' and 'Combatting Mind Control' etc... Get yourself educated as you'll learn so much in these and other books to be able to understand what is going on in your family members life and head, and most importantly to 'be there' for them when the penny finally drops one day, as it will.
What makes a cult destructive is not always that it is like the cults that have made news headlines in the past (Jim Jones, Moonies, Waco, etc...) but they are destructive to the lives of the people involved and in regards to Real Love, the estrangement of family and friends and the hurt and devastation this causes, as well as the forced marital separations, the addiction and dependency on the daddys/mummys and sadly, but critically, the destruction to the minds of those pulled in, who cannot right now see or perceive what is happening to them. They will need a lot of psychological help when they get out one day, and will need lots of loving non-judgemental people around them to help them through it all. I can only, from my own experience, state that Real Love felt like a total 'Mind *uck'.
My other recommendation is to check the two threads on this website now and then, and see what others have to share who leave Real Love, or how family members are helped out. Useful stuff does come up.
And yes, I too hope that one day Real Love (and Greg Baer) are seen for what it really is.
You are not the only one experiencing this! There are others. Have a look at the other thread on Real Love - it can be found in "Cults, Sects and New Religious Movements" under the title Real Love.
I too fully feel the same as you do and have made a promise to be there for anyone who eventually gets out of Real Love and sees the light for what it is and what has happened to them - Mind Control, Persuasive Coercion and Psychological Influence techniques as well as psychological re-evaluation. The sad thing is that people pulled in to Real Love DON'T know that they have been mentally manipulated, they totally believe that we who are not fooled into doing it are the one's who are sad, insane, needing love, blind, being a victim or whatever, and that they are somehow saved.
The main thing to remember with mind-control is that where medical professionals, mental heath therapists, psychiatrists, psychological counsellors etc. MUST by law tell a patient/client that they would like to use a particular technique on them and get their permission first. The patient then has to be told what that technique is, what it sets out to achieve and any long-term effects or negatives to the use of the technique. The patient has the right to say NO, to delay, or whatever. But the main thing is that the patient is empowered about what is going to happen to THEIR mind, THEIR property. The clear difference with cults, Real Love being no exception, is that they DON'T ASK PERMISSION and just go ahead using all these techniques unsafely. Unqualified people doing psychological work. Posing as a life coach! It is not just all the mind-control methods being used all over the place in Real Love, in order to manipulate people such as your family member, that are damaging and yes as you say causing potential future mental health problems - as it most definitely will, but the fact that not being professionals certain methods are carried out harmfully. By this I refer to the 'Intervention'. A health professional knows how to 'read' a person right there in front of them, and understand them - not the same when done over the phone!!! Health professionals will open up the mind 'safely' and only bring out enough to be dealt with for that person for a period of time (at least a week, often longer) so that they can assimilate what has happened and understand things. They also know when to stop the process and to close the mind down safely so that it is not open to manipulation by others. Real Love doesn't know what the hell it is doing, and reject any idea that they are working psychologically. Sadly, your family member has been absorbed into Real Love as you say. That is a good description of what happens.
What we have to remember is that none of this is their fault. None at all. They don't need to be blamed, mocked, or judged for their actions. Instead we just need to keep loving them no matter how much we get rejected and labelled. Real love happens naturally and spontaneously, not due to a set of principles devised by someone. What you do need to do is to read some books on cults. I have read Rick Ross's 'Cults Inside Out' as well as many others, including 'Cults in our Midst', 'Take Back Your Life' and 'Combatting Mind Control' etc... Get yourself educated as you'll learn so much in these and other books to be able to understand what is going on in your family members life and head, and most importantly to 'be there' for them when the penny finally drops one day, as it will.
What makes a cult destructive is not always that it is like the cults that have made news headlines in the past (Jim Jones, Moonies, Waco, etc...) but they are destructive to the lives of the people involved and in regards to Real Love, the estrangement of family and friends and the hurt and devastation this causes, as well as the forced marital separations, the addiction and dependency on the daddys/mummys and sadly, but critically, the destruction to the minds of those pulled in, who cannot right now see or perceive what is happening to them. They will need a lot of psychological help when they get out one day, and will need lots of loving non-judgemental people around them to help them through it all. I can only, from my own experience, state that Real Love felt like a total 'Mind *uck'.
My other recommendation is to check the two threads on this website now and then, and see what others have to share who leave Real Love, or how family members are helped out. Useful stuff does come up.
And yes, I too hope that one day Real Love (and Greg Baer) are seen for what it really is.