Re: The Use of Staring Techniques by LGATS

June 14, 2017, 5:45 am

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The book "Cults Inside Out" has a chapter specifically about LGATs and how they manipulate people. There is also a chapter about "Cult Brainwashing" and how it works with extensive research footnotes.

See [cultsinsideout.com]

There is a distinct difference between the level of manipulation used through education, advertising/sales and thought reform, which is commonly employed through LGATs.

Psychologist Margaret Singer included a chart making such distinctions.

See [www.culteducation.com]

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Re: Psychosis after a Tony Robbins Seminar??

June 18, 2017, 6:38 am

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Hi all

I keep an eye on this forum, and thank you Patrick for your recent post about the negatives and positives you got from you Tony Robbins UPW seminar.

I did UPW and WM, and then finally the DWD seminar. Three of the big Tony R events. This was back in 2007-2008 when I was a single Mum working part time, and really doing it tough financially. UPW was like a rock concert where I got so sleep deprived and totally out of it from the love bombing, lack of food, fire walking and mass hypnosis that I signed up for the several thousand dollar DWD seminar. I didn't have the money, so I borrowed it off family, shameful to think I was that sucked in. I didn't finish DWD because I got taken away in an ambulance to a psychiatric ward. At 35 years of age, I had my first psychosis ever, and spent months in hospital and out patient therapy afterwards recovering. I lost my job as I was too ill to work, and somehow my kids and I got by with a disability pension for the next few months.

I had no history of this kind of illness in my life, and I was looking to improve my life when I signed up for a Tony Robbins event. If any of you are ever thinking of signing up for a Tony Robbins seminar, book, audio program, or whatever please know these 2 things : (1) None of the material is original to his organisation, you can learn all of it on Google or by buying psychology texts; and (2) The Tony Robbins machine is totally geared to get whatever money you have no matter what the cost to get you to buy any of his products

I know now that Tony Robbins runs an unethical organisation that takes people's money, and no matter how badly damaged people are after a program, there is NO help, follow up, acknowledgement or refund of money for days lost due to you being put in the looney bin when the "training" tips you off the deep end.

My father is a psychiatric professional and was wholly unsurprised by my experience, desipte me never having had an issue. He said they often had patients admitted who had been to some self improvement seminar and basically become psychotic due to the lack of sleep, lack of food, mass hypnosis and other techniques used. The industry is unregulated and I think this is wrong. My recovery certainly cost the Australian health system a lot of money. That was nine years ago now, and I have not had a psychosis since. Be warned, Tony Robbins runs a very damaging bunch of seminars

Take care all
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Re: Psychosis after a Tony Robbins Seminar?

June 18, 2017, 6:41 am

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Re: Erhard was into manipulating people by manipulating words

June 26, 2017, 12:46 pm

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anonday,

In my humble opinion:

In addition to all of the above, these people are extremely sadistic. I can't even begin to tell you the level this reached in their interactions with me.

If someone isn't falling for the basic, programs, or in other words, is a "hard case," they will obtain personal information from the "friends" who recruited you, (and beyond), so as to "personalize" their tactics to that person. They go very low, looking for your Achilles heel and launch an attack.

In school settings, or with parents, the goal is discipline. The goal of discipline is not to destroy.

In an LGAT setting:

They don't have the authority to "discipline" you in the first place, but even aside from that, what these people do would not even qualify as discipline. What these people do is designed to break you. They even talk about "breakdowns," as if they are a good thing.

In some spiritual traditions, people do talk about a breakdown before a breakthrough, but this is about how things in certain areas of life aren't working as they once did. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with a "nervous breakdown," although in LGATS, that seems, (at least to me), to be their aim. Again, I can't even begin to tell you all of the just plain crazy-making behavior that they engaged in.

If you research "cluster b" personality types, you will find a great deal of what these people do. Plus, they add technology to make it even worse.

The effects of cluster b types on the other people in their lives are well-documented, and it is ALWAYS injurious. There is much literature about the injuries, and websites dedicated to recovery.

So here we have LGAT organizations that are well aware of this, and design their programs so as to produce these injuries, and that also use other technologies, such as sleep deprivation and room environment to maximize their effect.

They create trauma bonds, and call it "love." They give you PTSD, and call it "enlightenment." You numbly accept whatever is handed to you, and they call that "evolved."

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A little more on the LGAT concept of "breakdowns"

June 28, 2017, 1:40 pm

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Seeing as how LGATS love distinctions, I will make one.

Some spiritual traditions DO talk about "breakdowns" preceding "breakthroughs." What they are talking about, to the best of my understanding, is that things in certain areas of ones life are not working as they once did, and this is seen as signaling a need for change. This is all well and fine, and can be valid WHEN IT HAPPENS NATURALLY.

The difference I see in LGATS is that they try to create these "breakdowns" artificially, (often through sabotage), and their aim is to force their victims, oops ~ participants, into THEIR way of behavior or thinking. The goal seems to be to convince participants that things will magically "work," when you adopt their methods and thinking. They are not above meddling in areas of someone's life where they were NOT invited.

So there's your distinction between a breakdown and a set-up.

Here's my example:

I had met the so-called "friend" who recruited me in a twelve-step group, and also had befriended her outside of that group. She presented herself as a "shaman," and swore up and down that anything I consulted her about was as sacrosanct as if I were speaking to a priest. She could perform weddings, and was licensed as a minister. I had shared some extremely painful information with her. I had been dealing with some very intense grief, and a horrific betrayal. This stuff was so painful that I could barely even speak about it with my therapist.

The "shaman" and I were in a social group together, and after she became heavily involved in L.E., I could see that she had shared some of my private information with others in that group. I know this because a couple of others in that group started asking me questions about these matters.

She also apparently shared some of this information with some of the people at L.E., as there is no other way that they could have set up the situation that they set up for me without it. There were also many other indications that she was involved in the set-up.

I was in a seminar at L.E., at the time, and we were divided into groups. After the set-up was revealed, one of the guys in my seminar group said, "You understand that it's a game, right?"

They had picked THE. MOST. PAINFUL. THING. POSSIBLE, and turned it into a sick practical joke, complete with copious gaslighting. And they had done it using information that had been obtained without my consent. The fact that they even had the information was proof of yet another betrayal. I had known that something was up, and had specifically told my "shaman" friend to NOT do this. I had been severely traumatized, and told her to NOT re-traumatize me, and she had sworn that she would never do that.

So here we have L.E. trying to cause a breakdown in an area of my life where they had no business poking around in the first place, (and I was already quite "broken" there, anyway). I had not shared ANY of this information with them. It's like being gut-shot, and having some unqualified idiot thinking that they will cure you by pouring salt in the wound, above your protests. I had told her to LEAVE. IT. T. F. ALONE!!!

There are certain areas of life where I don't play "games." I want this depraved organization shut down. The destruction they have done to me is great enough that I am willing to take risks that I would not normally take, in order to accomplish this, (thus, some of my posts).

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Some details - TRIGGER WARNING

July 1, 2017, 2:14 pm

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TRIGGER WARNING:

The following details are explicit, and not for the squeamish or faint of heart. This deals with the medical fallout. There are also some minimal sexual references, though I am keeping it as clean as I can.

This contains some detail about what actually happened. First, some background in this link:

[forum.culteducation.com]

What they (possibly) didn't know that they didn't know... but judging from their behavior, maybe they didn't care.

1) There was another person involved in all of this, and apparently providing information. Some of the information used could not have come from anywhere else. What they (L.E. people involved), might not have known is that this other person had previously threatened me, (years earlier). I had been creeped out, as he had my address and phone number, and I hadn't even known his name, at the time of the threat. The (shaman) "friend" who recruited me into L.E. was aware of this, and was capable of contact with that person.

2) They caused me long-term physical damage, (see post about Tuesday night session). The sex was extremely rough, and there is no doubt in my mind that this roughness was deliberate. I normally would have asked the other person to stop, but I didn't. I felt that something had been done to my mind. I was aware of the pain, but felt unable to ask that person to stop, and I don't know why. I am NOT into pain.

This all happened in the same time period when I was being subjected to L.E.'s "sound emitting device," and I don't know what effect that had on my mind. All I know is that every time I heard it, I felt irritable, spacey and weepy. It felt as if it were affecting my nervous system. I felt almost as if I had been drugged, but still don't know, and have no evidence of that. If I was, it wasn't the typical stuff. I was conscious and I remember everything.

Afterwards, I was unable to void my bladder for hours, though I badly needed to. I thought that I was going to have to go to the hospital and get a U-cath, but narrowly missed that. After passing blood for several days, I went to the doctor.

The doctor asked me repeatedly if I had been raped. I kept telling her "no. " I had consented, and at no point had I asked him to stop. She told me that there were extensive bruises and lacerations, as she had only ever seen in the aftermath of violent rape.

The day after all this happened, I was in a phone call with my seminar group. Everyone was behaving strangely toward me on the phone. One of the women commented that I was confused. One of the guys said, "You understand that it's a game, don't you?" Later that week, in the seminar, the same guy asked me, "Did you get what you wanted?"

The same week, I spoke to the assistant seminar leader, and he asked me if I thought that I was crazy. I told him that I didn't know, but that my therapist agreed with me that it was best that I end my participation in L.E. Rather than showing any concern, his response was to try to sell me on the next seminar. He told me that if I attended, my question as to my sanity would be answered.

What they might not have known:
I had had surgery prior to this. Up until this incident, there had been no issues with it. Mr. Acronym ripped the surgical mesh. This resulted in long-term physical damage. Among other things, I now often have to stay near a bathroom. If it can be repaired, it is likely to take multiple surgeries.

I did not meet this guy on grounds at the center, but my recruiter knew where I went to unwind, and had gone to this place with me. Mr. Acronym literally just walked up to me in that place and started staring me down.

My recruiter, (and others at Landmark), seemed to know way too much about this situation, though she claimed that she didn't know him. She would ask me questions that she already knew the answers to, and if I didn't give her the answer she wanted, she would "correct" me.

Add to all of this the fact that his name was an exact match of the acronym mentioned in the above linked post, yet he swore that he had nothing to do with LE.

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The "Sound Emitting Device"

July 2, 2017, 3:33 pm

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As to the legality of the 'Sound Emitting Device"

I had found the box containing the device while cleaning out a storage room at Landmark. It was a long, thin box, marked, "Sound Emitting Device." I asked the center manager what it was. She told me not to worry about it, as they only used it on "hard cases," and that they would not use it on me. She told me that they did not use it at the center, but put it into peoples' drainpipes. I asked her if they first obtained consent, and she told me "no." I didn't like that.

A few nights later, in the wee hours of the morning, I heard someone walking on my roof, and also the sound of a car idling nearby. This was followed by the sound of someone screwing in something metallic, near the back of the house. It was dark outside, and difficult to see.

I wanted to call the police, but remembered past experiences with peeping toms - when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. I decided to try to get the license plate number off of the car first.

I got up to look out the window with a flashlight. Immediately, I heard someone running across the roof, the car door slammed, and the car went tearing down the street. I did get a fairly good visual description.

Within a day or two, the sounds started. It seemed to be coming from the area of the bathroom, and was just on the edge of hearing. It was just loud enough that my ears would involuntarily strain to hear it. My dog could also hear it, and kept perking up her ears and going into the bathroom to look for the source, though she had never shown much interest in the bathroom before that. This went on for weeks.

I don't know what the device was. I do know that there are medical devices, such as what is used in Auditory Integrative Therapy. There are also things like "entrainment tapes," etc, and I don't know which, if any, of these are classified as medical devices. I am sure that there are other devices which I have never even heard of.

Not knowing what this thing was, I can't say whether or not it was a medical device. IF it was, they would be guilty of:

1) Practicing medicine without a license.

2) Practicing medicine without having established a doctor -patient relationship.

3) Practicing medicine without informed consent.

Intent may be harder to prove, but I might even add on:

4) Practicing medicine with intent to do harm.

Whatever it was, it was definitely used without consent, informed or otherwise, and I believe that the intent was malicious. Either way, it has to be illegal for other reasons, such as criminal trespassing and harassment.

Regardless of having signed their waiver form, I don't believe for one minute that the waiver protects them from prosecution for their crimes. As I recall, the waiver stated that the program consisted of "a series of conversations..."

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Why Landmark jargon and LGAT jargon screws up our minds

May 29, 2017, 8:57 am

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Use of specialized jargon can impoverish our thought process, disempowering us rather than empowering us.

The temporary high felt by LGAT graduates may be a combination of sleep deprivation, hyperfocus on the forum leader caused by subtle disorientation induced by the room set up.

And the emotional and cognitive high may be created by downloading the specialized jargon into the minds of subjects while punishing them for using words describing
negative or depressed mood states.

Banning all mention of terms such as sad, angry, resentful, scared may temporarily block us from experiencing and feeling those emotions, giving us an illusion of temporary liberation from our authentic suffering.

Temporarily and because the entire seminar is set up to do this, subjects
are led to attribute their 'high" to Landmark.

By contrast, it appears that having a rich and nuanced emotional vocabulary for emotion is what actually empowers us -- what one researcher has termed
"emotional granularity".

[www.bbc.com]

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"..the work of Lisa Feldman Barrett at Northeastern University, who has shown that our abilities to identify and label our emotions can have far-reaching effects.

Her research was inspired by the observation that certain people use different emotion words interchangeably, while others are highly precise in their descriptions.

“Some people use words like anxious, afraid, angry, disgusted to refer to a general affective state of feeling bad,” she explains. “For them, they are synonyms, whereas for other people they are distinctive feelings with distinctive actions associated with them.”

This is called “emotion granularity” and she usually measures this by asking the participants to rate their feelings on each day over the period of a few weeks, before she calculates the variation and nuances within their reports: whether the same old terms always coincide, for instance.

Importantly, she has found that this then determines how well we cope with life. If you are better able to pin down whether you are feeling despair or anxiety, for instance, you might be better able to decide how to remedy those feelings: whether to talk to a friend, or watch a funny film. Or being able to identify your hope in the face of disappointment might help you to look for new solutions to your problem.

In this way, emotion vocabulary is a bit like a directory, allowing you to call up a greater number of strategies to cope with life. Sure enough, people who score highly on emotion granularity are better able to recover more quickly from stress and are less likely to drink alcohol as a way of recovering from bad news. It can even improve your academic success. Marc Brackett at Yale University has found that teaching 10 and 11-year-old children a richer emotional vocabulary improved their end-of-year grades, and promoted better behaviour in the classroom. “The more granular our experience of emotion is, the more capable we are to make sense of our inner lives,” he says.

Both Brackett and Barrett agree that Lomas’s “positive lexicography” could be a good prompt to start identifying the subtler contours of our emotional landscape. “I think it is useful – you can think of the words and the concepts they are associated with as tools for living,” says Barrett.

They might even inspire us to try new experiences, or appreciate old ones in a new light.

Here is an array of terms from different languages and their associated cultures
identified by Lomas.

Lomas' own website for emotional lexicography is here:

[www.drtimlomas.com]

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Desbundar (Portuguese) – to shed one’s inhibitions in having fun

Tarab (Arabic) – a musically induced state of ecstasy or enchantment

(Corboy: This term may account for the many stories in Muslim history and folklore of rulers lavishing untold wealth upon musicians and poets.
A person possessing the ability to induce ecstasy and enchantment will be valued by the sensitive and resented by religious authorities who fear competing influences.)

Shinrin-yoku (Japanese) – the relaxation gained from bathing in the forest, figuratively or literally

Gigil (Tagalog) – the irresistible urge to pinch or squeeze someone because they are loved or cherished

Yuan bei (Chinese) – a sense of complete and perfect accomplishment

Iktsuarpok (Inuit) – the anticipation one feels when waiting for someone, whereby one keeps going outside to check if they have arrived

Natsukashii (Japanese) – a nostalgic longing for the past, with happiness for the fond memory, yet sadness that it is no longer

Wabi-sabi (Japanese) – a “dark, desolate sublimity” centred on transience and imperfection in beauty

Saudade (Portuguese) – a melancholic longing or nostalgia for a person, place or thing that is far away either spatially or in time – a vague, dreaming wistfulness for phenomena that may not even exist

Sehnsucht (German) – “life-longings”, an intense desire for alternative states and realisations of life, even if they are unattainable

Dadirri (Australian aboriginal) term – a deep, spiritual act of reflective and respectful listening

Pihentagyú (Hungarian) – literally meaning “with a relaxed brain”, it describes quick-witted people who can come up with sophisticated jokes or solutions

Desenrascanço (Portuguese) – to artfully disentangle oneself from a troublesome situation

Sukha (Sanskrit) – genuine lasting happiness independent of circumstances

Orenda (Huron) – the power of the human will to change the world in the face of powerful forces such as fate

These terms were developed within entire communities and cultures. They were not created by a single, driven person with a desperate need to control
brand his name into thousands of souls and impose his impoverished language into thousands of minds.

These terms were created and maintained because entire cultures and communities found them useful.

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In the future, Lomas hopes that other psychologists may begin to explore the causes and consequences of these experiences – to extend our understanding of emotion beyond the English concepts that have dominated research so far.

"... Lomas suspects that familiarising ourselves with the words might actually change the way we feel ourselves, by drawing our attention to fleeting sensations we had long ignored.

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“In our stream of consciousness – that wash of different sensations feelings and emotions – there’s so much to process that a lot passes us by,” Lomas says. “The feelings we have learned to recognise and label are the ones we notice – but there’s a lot more that we may not be aware of. And so I think if we are given these new words, they can help us articulate whole areas of experience we’ve only dimly noticed.”

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Re: Why Landmark jargon and LGAT jargon screws up our minds

May 29, 2017, 2:37 pm

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Thanks, corboy!

I love this list of words!
I see words here that I've been looking for my entire life, but could never find within the English language.

I also like the concept of emotional granularity, and I think you're right.

If someone were to start describing a negative emotion at L.E., someone would often rush in and try to distract them from it. It is counterproductive, in terms of actually processing. I always felt that they were trying to paint over it, instead.

On some occasions, they might seem to go with it momentarily, but would then steer it back around to where the negative emotion was "inauthentic," (and I really can't conceive of anything more inauthentic than that last bit). Sometimes, we have to authentically be allowed to say, "No ~ I really do feel this way right now," and be allowed to process that.

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The LGAT concept of forgiveness

July 6, 2017, 2:32 pm

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One of the biggest problems I had in my experience with LGATs was with their concept of forgiveness.

To me, forgiveness does not necessarily mean reconciliation. It does not mean that one has to allow the offender back into one's life, but can be as simple as putting the whole thing behind you and walking away. I had done that. Forgiveness can happen in stages, with the first being to walk away and trying to rebuild your life. Another stage would be to stop thinking about what was done to you, and/or to let go of any resentment. I wasn't there yet, so of course this was perceived to be my "racket."

The LGAT people I encountered had a whole different concept of forgiveness. To them, forgiveness means that you could meet the offender again as if you were meeting them for the first time. There would be no "bad blood" between you, and you would have no expectations, either positive or negative. I can see how this could work with small offenses and misunderstandings, but LGATS expect you to apply this concept to EVERYTHING.

One of their exercises asks participants to think of a situation where they were wronged, and take the blame upon themselves. Then the participant is expected to contact the other person involved and apologize for having been "inauthentic." I encountered one person who said that she had forgiven someone who had molested her as a child, and had invited him to an L.E. introduction. As far as I"m concerned, that may have been the best revenge she could have gotten, but I don't think that was her intent.

To me, it all depends on the magnitude of the offense, and whether or not the harm done was deliberate, as the last is an indication of character. Sometimes people can unintentionally harm others because they are wrapped up in their own lives, and just don't think. Others lack information or are acting on faulty beliefs and assumptions. These things are easier to forgive.

If you take the LGAT concept of forgiveness, and apply it to having been bitten by a rabid dog, (or a sociopath), the stupidity is self-evident. It would be as if they would expect you to reach out your hand to pet the same rabid dog again.

To the LGAT people, the phrase "never again," must never be uttered, but sometimes "never again," is by far the best plan. I would even say that it reflects an ability to learn from experience.

Sometimes, there is nothing to forgive. Sometimes people operate under faulty assumptions, and you will never convince them otherwise. You can stand there and scream at a brick wall, but, once you have discerned that it is a brick wall, you would be crazy to waste your breath. Additionally, one cannot blame a brick wall for being what it is. As the LGAT people love to say, "It is what it is, and it's not what it's not."

As Albert Einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results." Sometimes, you just have to walk away.

Over and out.

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Re: What's Werner Erhard been up to lately ?

July 14, 2017, 2:20 pm

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I just came across this youtube video on him! I've been educating myself on cults and lgats...my head hurts.

[www.youtube.com]

It's an apologetic video though

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Gratitude Training Ruins Lives

July 29, 2017, 7:34 pm

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I am a graduate of Gratitude Training in South Florida.

I did all of their programs from beginning to staffing and I’m embarrassed to say I did.

I am NOT going to write about what I THINK of my time at Gratitude Training.

I AM going to jus tell you what I saw:

Many people who go and the staff are barely functioning in their lives. Not paying rent, losing jobs, leaving familia.

Married people flirting and groping people that were not their wife and husband. So so many affairs.

An unbelievable amount of drug and sex addicts. Many who recently came from AA. Doing it all again!

They talking nasty about things outside of the training. Their people, familia, jobs, their kids.

And the kids!! People using Gratitude events as a chance to get away from their “brats” (their kids). Ya, I heard that a lot!!!

I saw people lose their jobs and claim it was an empowered choice. Lots of couch surfering and homeless people.

People looking for any reason to get naked with each other.

Lots of talk about “being” God. (One trainer goes around and he call himself Christ).

They trash openly over things shared in confidence. Lot’s of side conversations. Right! They don’t judge! lol

People given assignments to give sex to make them “grow out of their limiting beliefs”. Calling it a stretch!!

Some people that have solid finances and jobs are pushed and shame to carry others, so that they could continue their training.

There are groups of gay girls that get off on turning the straight girl. And a bunch of guys that staff and hang out at the trainings to get girls.

And a huge amount of people offering enlightening, coaching, massages, drugs, and every multi level marketing job you can think of. But no one has job!!

What shock me is that employees of Gratitude Training seem to be aware of all of these things! They don't care!! They really don't! They all say, “What is your judgement create in the world?”

Are all LGATs like this?!?!!
The girl that owns Gratitude Jo Englesson seemed so nice. Save the world and world peace!! How can this be the results!?!?

I am so worn out. Some of these people are my familia. Can’t do it anymore. Cuz it’s been making me crazy.

I’m ashamed that I brought my people in.
I'm more ashamed that I lost what I loved most.

I liked myself better before I had to keep so many secrets.

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July 30, 2017, 11:13 am

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Freda-

Don't be ashamed. Millions of people have been manipulated by these LGATs. What matters is that you "woke up" and realized what they truly are. This is a great place to get support. I am currently working on a project. If you are interested in helping, I would love your support. Feel free to message me and I can give you further details if you are interested. For now, forgive yourself- IT IS NOT YOUR FAULT. Take some time to process and heal.

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Re: Gratitude Training Ruins Lives

July 30, 2017, 7:06 pm

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Older discussions of Gratitude Training on this message board.

Gratitude Training - Beware 2011

[forum.culteducation.com]

Gratitude Training Dangerous Divorces -- 2015

[forum.culteducation.com]

Lost My Best Friend to the gratitude CULT -- 2015

[forum.culteducation.com]

Gratitude Trainings: Florida/Charlotte Cult - 2015

[forum.culteducation.com]

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Re: Pathways Core Training in Dallas, Texas

July 31, 2017, 10:48 pm

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Mr. Moderator I never did hear from you or anyone else in here. Again I would be very cautious of this organization as I stated above. I do think I want to clarify on the definition of a cult I was in the Middle. HOWEVER as shown not for the contempt that the organization has. It now has even more powerful people than last year who are now on its new board. I would caution anyone who would join any group similar to this that unless it is regulated by the State where you can document or has some form of regulation and accepted practices to neutralize events that to avoid confrontation that would be best. To respond to Mr. Mr On your Mark. Mr. Boyd publicly humiliated me to the stage that I physically wanted to hurt that man. They do engage in humiliation. Remember I told you he's a criminal lawyer. That incident coupled with some childhood dreams and aspirations made me want to go to Law School so bad to stop people like him. When I felt the tendency of violence they would argue with me and not let me leave properly. Be careful of this group. No one told me how I could sue them. And moderator you never did reply but you allowed my comments to be posted. I would like a reply directly from you even if you don't post this comment.

Thanks,

rkhullar

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GRATITUDE TRAINING TOOK MY SON

August 1, 2017, 1:21 am

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I HOPE I CAN REACH OUT TO THIS COMMUNITY. My son is talking like a zombie and as entrapped in the cult called "GRATITUDE TRAINING." WHO has experience in getting their kids out of a cult? WHO CAN HELP ME PROSECUTE GRATITUDE TRAINING BY NOT PAYING WORKERS AND THROUGH THEIR ROUTINE USE OF EXTORTION?

It is a “FOR PROFIT" Company and the founder Jo Englesson has been profiting madly off the exploitation. She is a charlatan, charismatic, conniving, very wicked.

My son is caught in the "80 day" induction phase and his life is completely consumed by this cult. Any help would be greatly appreciated. He is only 19. My son is a newly "out" Transgender and his best friend (Jules McCartney recently in Miami Herald) is also Transgender. The cult is exploiting this dangerous transition time of both!! It is absolutely sickening to watch.

I was part of their organization until when, with my extensive business background, I called them out on their ILLEGAL BUSINESS PRACTICES. Two Hours later I was frozen out of the entire community. It took seconds. I live in Boca Raton FL. I love my son so much and this cult has ensnared him. I have written a comprehensive evaluation of this cult and I guarantee it is eye-popping." Go to the FB page called GRATITUDE TRAINING EXPOSED or go to this link: [wbtruth.blogspot.com]

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Re: Pathways Core Training in Dallas, Texas

August 1, 2017, 6:21 am

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Video online explaining working definition of a destructive cult.

See [www.youtube.com]

See [www.culteducation.com]

Psychiatrist Robert Jay Lifton, who wrote the definitive book about thought reform (often called "brainwashing") also wrote a paper about cult formation. Lifton defined a cult as having the following three characteristics:

A charismatic leader, who increasingly becomes an object of worship as the general principles that may have originally sustained the group lose power.

A process [is in use] call[ed] coercive persuasion or thought reform.

Economic, sexual, and other exploitation of group members by the leader and the ruling coterie.

Also See [www.culteducation.com]

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

Followers feel they can never be "good enough".

The group/leader is always right.

The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving
validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.

A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive.

A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses.

Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know.

A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight.

A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them.

A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them.

A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened.

A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others.

A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem.

A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice.

A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas.

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Re: GRATITUDE TRAINING TOOK MY SON

August 2, 2017, 3:12 pm

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New Information: While my son was attending one of the "FREE INTRODUCTIONS"... I held up a sign outside the training that said: "GRATITUDE TRAINING EXPOSED - A FaceBoook Page (go there!). I was there 5 minutes and walked away. They had two of their "staff" follow me throughout the mall whole on cell phones. It was positively creepy.

They then called the cops and lied to them. They claimed that they had already warned me of trespassing and were trying to convince the cops of this. THIS WAS A LIE> Thhet were literally trying to send me to jail.

What are they so afraid of? I will tell you what... their entire existence. I was the consummate insider who was asked to leave because I questioned them on heir highly illegal business practices. They don't pay their workers! This is completely illegal for a "FOR PROFIT" business." For more see [wbtruth.blogspot.com]

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Re: Gratitude Training - Beware

August 2, 2017, 8:17 pm

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The author of the above article is a "Captain" in Gratitude Training. Just last night (Aug 1, 2017) he called the cops on me when I held up a sign in a Public area (GRATITUDE TRAINING EXPOSED - SEE FACEBOOK PAGE). He is the ultimate insider who is scared shitless of me and my power to expose this cult. See [wbtruth.blogspot.com]

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August 2, 2017, 8:55 pm

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Thank you Crback22 and Corboy.

Your words help me so much.

I am ashame and wish I never get involve with Gratitude Training.

My familia have gone with those people. I tell them to come here and read all these posts.

They read my post and make no excuse. They tell me, So what! Jo Englesson teaches alternative lifestyle and I don't have to like it!!

No!!! I do not like any of their drugs, their sex freedom, their secrets, their cheating and lies!!! I do not like they force me "you must enroll familia", their stupid secret third weekend and their fake Christ!!!

They say its funny, I post Gratitude Training as a cult.
Even Jo Englesson says Gratitude Training is a cult. She say its a SPECIAL KIND of cult. They told me to look at it on her website.

I am just so tired. My heart is breaking for my familia.

They say I am not welcome back.

Where I brought my own familia.

I only wish for the day they would tell my familia they are not welcome back either.

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