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Re: LGATS - one person's experience of Lifespring

April 25, 2016, 7:56 pm
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I actually developed a urinary tract infection because there were so few bathroom breaks. It pains me to think that I got sucked in. I was actually quite terrified of getting in trouble, which is exactly how I had lived my life to that point. And this was a huge reason why I fell for it.

Basic was startling, but Advanced was a bus ride through hell and damnation. I have been reading this forum for a few years but only now, 8 years later, am I willing to "break my contract" and talk about it. I was afraid to. Which shows how deep the scars are.
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Re: LGATS - one person's experience of Lifespring

April 26, 2016, 6:15 am
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wow. Forgot what human cockroaches these LGAT people are.

hey don't beat yourself up.

If these LGATs weren't so effective at mind control they wouldn't make so much money and be so popular.

Basically you did survive the LGAT and ultimately came to full awareness. Not everyone does that. You're only a human being. It does take a while to recover.

My story written in other parts of this forum was equally painful.

Fact: I "graduated" (joke) all the way up to the highest level. This is where you're suppose to wear suits and do all kinds of money making scamming to bring new meat to the LGAT. I went in chewing gum. Some Nazi chick who was one of their guard dogs said "spit the gum out" I snapped so to speak and said fk it. Walked out. Next day we were suppose to show up for some stupid military event. Went surfing. Literally. I went surfing. They kicked me out.

Then they turned the fire hose of mental games and nasty tricks against me. Turned my gf against me. Her ex bf who was also in this sick tribe against me. He did 1000's in felony vandalism damage against me. They spied on me. I had to sue the ex gf for money she took from me to pay for this garbage. I had to get the police involved with the ex bf and get a restraining order. I went into the office of the woman who ran this MITT in LA and called her out. She threw me out of her office. She was a pig.

I fought these guys with whatever I had.

I also went to a cult de-programming therapist to understand myself and what was happening.

I read books on LGATs and cults. Got involved in this web site which is a life saver.

Ultimately I realized I was looking for this LGAT to fill a need in me missing from my parents. Once I realized that, everything made sense. I was a stronger person. You'll be a stronger person now you realize what happened and keep revealing more to yourself.

These LGATs are really good at siphoning money out of people who want to believe and are easily intimidated by social manipulation. The more black and white your world the better for them.

As a child I was put through assertiveness training and it saved my life. Because I was able to stand up to these LGAT leaders. But at the time I had low self esteem. I was trying to win the love of some crazy girl who was addicted to this training. My need to prove something to her and not able to love myself lead to insane actions. But ultimately their training snapped. And I was free. When that idiot scolded me for chewing gum. I said fk u. You no longer have control over me.

There is a lot of embarrassment over being "played". I totally relate. You don't know how many times in the last 13 years I've said "why the fk did I ever get involved with these people, that gf, that situation?" Just look at it as a psychological car accident. A severe car accident. The car was totaled. You were hospitalized. For a long time. You had some severe damage to your body. You were in a cast. Bandages. You had to learn to walk slowly and do things to recover. This is a head on collision that you're recovering from and it will take time to recover fully. Give yourself time to recover. Get away from these people, people who are connected to these people, that part of town as much as possible. Don't re-injure yourself by blaming yourself. You've already been psychologically injured. Walk away from the accident and start to recover. You'll be stronger for it. :)
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Re: Pathways Core Training in Dallas, Texas

May 9, 2016, 1:17 pm
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I would like to post regarding this topic. Much of what has been said has articulated 2 sides to this issue. I think in my opinion I am in the middle on this issue. I believe that this organization does have certain behavioral tendencies that would indicate that it is a cult and some that don't.

If there is an issue between 2 parties and or negative energy of other individuals towards another even if its baseless and or was caused in part by the incompetence of the facilitators and or TA's then it is a cult because of the way that you are insulted and it hinders the very training that they intend to promote. I would be very weary of an attorney named Martin Boyd and a so called LPC who is not professionally trained in clinical by the name of Laurie Mitchell as they are individuals who don't promote 2 sides of an issue properly or fairly. If others in the training view you as negative energy it defeats your purpose this happened to me over another individual who's cousin I knew but they didn't know. The way the setting is I felt very uncomfortable to express my concerns and I noticed this person's wife asked them whether he was lying and they accused me of promoting and or jeapordizing the secrets of the room. Even when I disclosed to said privately that my conversation with their wife was only about whether they were someone I knew who was what I thought was their last cousin based on last name and genetics. Of course I commented off the cuff to others in the class only my side of the story and was ridiculed. Then in addition when they say that money is not an issue if you overpress your classmates they can be offended because some people can't afford the walk. My roommate felt that way about me and I had to explain to him due to misunderstandings and multiple messages that in fact it was the organization that encouraged me to "SURRENDER" and ask other classmates for financial help as an option and they do stress that I would advise against such behavior. I was able before I walked out of the walk to convince this individual that in fact I did not seek to shake this person for money. When I explained to them NOT TO SELL their antique family guns but rather another unncessary gun the funds achieved would not have been enough to help me when he had his expenses. This gentleman understood the misunderstanding to his credit after 20 minutes of conversation which occurred during a 2 hour break where most of it was spent ONLY WITH OTHER MEMBERS and NOT WITH THE ABILITY TO CONTACT FAMILY OR TAKE CARE OF OTHER PERSONAL THINGS. I think based on this experience that during the training itself that privacy is not present there is an over application of requiring or strongly encouraging after the day's training to spend all free time with those in the training. Again that to me even as verbose as I am I still want my privacy especially when many of the things you hear about other people humble you and can also depress you further. So a real break from that from the people in that room is recommended. If you join this please keep these points in mind and outside the room keep a healthy moderate distance from other members of the room. Also make sure that your name is not dragged through the mud the way mine was. Frankly, this organization is in my opinion is away from its roots and would be more suitable if some of these issues were resolved AND It returned to its roots by having some one who is in fact not an LPC but rather a PHD in Psychology who is clinically trained in addition to being trained with their methods. If they strongly view you as a threat they will not let you at least defend an attack made at you. Its so irritating because Mr. Boyd is in fact a criminal lawyer of all people you know that everyone is innocent till proven guilty and he and Mitchell made my life very difficult and they also did that to another individual. They act like judge jury and prosecutor and that is not fair and that does indicate in mind in addition of what I spoken about Cult tendencies.


HOWEVER, given the actual specific definition it is not a cult. But I can see how many here can feel that way given my experience. My advice do not seek help from this organization UNLESS they obtain a Licensed PHD Clinical Psychologists so their methods can be regulated by the State.
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Re: ref jarl moe/andy harrington

May 18, 2016, 1:10 am
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Jet Set Speaker Ltd is the latest company run by andy harrington
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Re: ref jarl moe/andy harrington

May 18, 2016, 1:13 am
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Jet Set Speaker Ltd, is the latest company to fleece you from your money,
again run by andy harrington,who now has form doing this, avoid at all costs
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Re: LGAT in Concord California

May 19, 2016, 4:23 pm
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John Hanley has morphed New Era again.....

Same bs language saying nothing with a lot of words....different website... he seems to be taking advantage of Bogota Columbia for a new feeding ground. Looking at his pictures with these people still send chills up my spine. Still as slimy as ever.

[www.johnhanleyphd.com]
[www.lideresquanticos.com]


"QTA is available for everyone, but not everyone is willing to make it happen, so if you are one of the leaders who is committed unconditionally to invent your own reality, welcome, if you are willing to shift the conversation to create impossibility now, welcome, and if theres still circumstances that have been bigger than your imposible future now, well, my question would be what are you waiting to get committed in an unconditional way?"
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Re: LGAT in Concord California

May 20, 2016, 6:43 am
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(Corboy's personal opinion.)

The sentence quoted above has more clauses than a snake has ribs.

It resembles H.L. Mencken's description of a political convention.

"Not one cliche was missed. The platitudes were deadly. The English language was raped."

[books.google.com]
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Re: Pathways Core Training in Dallas, Texas

June 16, 2016, 5:41 pm
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I want to follow up on my previous comments. I am looking to possibly sue these guys I don't know that I can but I did have a discussion with a licensed Clinical Psychologist. He said that any type of humiliation is grounds for loss of license for the LPC. The LPC of Texas regulators can unfortunately go after her Laurie Mitchell only. They can't go after Boyd or the organization. I decided not to go that route but any suggestions on how to sue?
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Taking a Stand

June 23, 2016, 10:34 am
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The Engleharts have decided to resume eating meat. Their choice. Now they reportedly are catching hell from militant vegans.

The vegans have chosen their own diet; the Englehart's Cafe Gratitude restaurants continue to serve gourmet vegan food.

Therefore the militant vegans should respect the Englehart's decision to choose their own eating patterns at home. Back off.

The Engelharts are rightly dismayed that their free choice in diet is being met with intolerance.

Employees of Cafe Gratitude who choose NOT to participate in Landmark Education training should get the same respect from the Engleharts.

The ideas we want placed in our minds should be just as much our private and uncoerced choice as whether we choose to to eat vegan or non vegan.

[www.wellandgood.com]

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Café Gratitude’s owners quit veganism, protests and death threats ensue

Good Food

Erin Magner, April 29, 2016

s famous ex-vegans like The Balanced Blonde blogger Jordan Younger and The Whole Tara’s Tara Milhern can attest, those who leave the meat-free flock should expect some degree of controversy to follow them.

So it’s not exactly surprising to learn that Café Gratitude founders Matthew and Terces Engelhart are at the receiving end of boycotts, protests, and even death threats after revealing that they’ve started eating meat again after more than a decade of veganism—and that the meat in question is reportedly coming from animals raised on their Be Love Farm, which supplies ingredients to their plant-based restaurant empire.

Cowspiracy Revealed?

According to The Hollywood Reporter, the fracas started when a group of animal-rights activists got hold of a year-old post from the Be Love Farm blog in which the Engelharts announced they had personally abandoned veganism—published alongside photos of beef broth and a freezer filled with packaged meat from their own pasture. The post offered little explanation for their about-face, saying only: “While I would clearly say we are in transition and that transition is happening deep within our beings, we know it is a necessary and important part of our own growth as well as the sustainability of our farm.”

Critics—Moby included—are, understandably, concerned with the fact that the pair may be actively using their vegan patrons’ profits to buy cows for slaughter and sale. “I feel that my hard-earned money has been used for purposes that are unethical, cruel and out-of-alignment with my values,” wrote raw food chef Jason Wrobel on his personal website. (The post has since been deleted).

“We’ve done nothing but a plant-based diet at our restaurants and we’re being attacked.”

Carrie Christianson, who started a Facebook group dedicated to the controversy, echoed the same sentiments to THR. “You are patronizing a restaurant that you think has that philosophy, and it turns out it doesn’t. Vegans should know that this restaurant has a farm that slaughters animals.”

The Engelharts insist that animals on the Be Love Farm were introduced to fertilize the soil and their main job is to produce milk, butter, and cheese, not meat. (THR writes: “[Matthew Engelhart] claims they’ve ‘harvested,’ or slaughtered, several cows in total and never sold the meat, only shared it with ‘our friends, neighbors and community.’”)

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So what does this mean for Café Gratitude?

The Engelharts stress that despite their personal choices, all five Café Gratitude locations, as well as Mexican concept Gracias Madre and the upscale Gratitude, remain resolutely vegan. “I am allowed to change my mind [about my own diet],” Matthew Engelhart proclaimed to THR. “And by the way, I never even told them what my mind was. All I told them was it’s a vegan restaurant. And it still is! And it always will be!”

Though he claims to be “baffled” by the activists’ response, it’s certainly not the first time backlash has ensued against a vegan figurehead who’s renounced the cause. Younger was the subject of hateful comments and, ironically, threats on her life when she re-introduced fish and eggs into her diet, while animal rights cheerleader Ellen DeGeneres came under fire last year for introducing a shoe line that included leather.

Still, there’s no denying that the Engelharts’ positive impact on the vegan cause in LA, until now, has been profound. “I don’t think there’s any organization on the planet that’s done more to promote a plant-based diet than us,” Matthew told THR. “We’ve moved it from a dogma to a genre. We serve 28,000 meals a week in all of our enterprises. We’ve done nothing but a plant-based diet at our restaurants and we’re being attacked.” Whether this fiasco has an equally weighty impact on Café Gratitude’s future is as unclear as a, um, batch of homemade kombucha
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Re: Impact Training in Utah

June 26, 2016, 9:03 pm
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Currently my mother, father, siblings, and many people on my mother's side of the family is attending this. They staid at a member of Impact Training's house, never met before, and left my 10 and 8 year old sister in his one entrance basement. They're making extremely erratic decisions, isolating my from my family because I do not want to attend, and am worried about their financial state.

If anyone could give me any advice as well, I'd love to hear it. I've tried talking to them, kindly, and they retaliate immaturely and don't seem to hear a word I say.
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Re: Impact Training in Utah

June 27, 2016, 3:26 am
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See [cultsinsideout.com]

This book includes a chapter about LGATs (large group awareness training) like Impact.

The book can help you to better understand the situation and what possible options you might consider.

Don't argue, make negative comments or offer criticism.

First read and educate yourself and keep communication open.
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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama

June 30, 2016, 2:10 pm
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I'm curious to know how Rick Ross feels about the videos put out by NXIVM/ESP/Keith Raniere on this website:

[www.keithraniereconversations.com]

What's the point? An attempt to shore up the image of the group and his own? I see a number of relatively known celebrities in these discussions. Is it just a lot of informal talk, hot air, shooting the breeze, etc., that is much ado about nothing? Is it simply an attempt at diversion away from his past history? Does it change how an anti-cultist like Rick Ross views him? Does it further solidify his viewpoint?

A number of people who have previously been close to Keith have allegedly said through various media outlets that he exhibits sociopathic tendencies - Toni Foley, Barbara Bouchey, Kristin Keeffe, Susan Donnes, etc., - yet in some of these videos he speaks of the disorder and seems to cleverly project this problem onto to the other people and not himself. Is he simply just a good talker/BSer?

Thanks,

Curious Unicorn.
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Re: NXIVM and the Dalai Lama

July 1, 2016, 4:55 pm
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Re: The Wright Institute for Lifelong Learning?

July 6, 2016, 11:13 am
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Any recent members of the Wright Foundation on here? My daughter is interested in the organization and after having read some of these posts, I don't feel comfortable with her participating. She went to a Foundations weekend last month and is saying that her life is changed. She wants to sign up, but I'm very wary of the organization. Have things progressed in a positive direction or does it still carry a lot of cult-like influence? Please contact me with any information!!
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Re: The Wright Institute for Lifelong Learning?

July 6, 2016, 4:29 pm
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Hi. I left the WI in 2009. I am not recently involved, but I cannot imagine that they have changed in any way that would make them less a cult. This is who Bob and Judith are at their core. I was like your daughter when I first joined. I was excited, hopeful, felt alive, and that my life was transformed. This is the outer layer of experience. It was only as I went deeper in the group and deeper in debt, that I realized I was in a cult. It took me several years to see it clearly. I was fortunate that I could get out. I was conditioned to a kind of "group think". What helped was that a family situation made it necessary for me to be out of state for 2 months. It gave me the opportunity to look at my life apart from the spin of WI. I could see how much of my life was about earning money to pay for my WI fed and debts and how little time that I had left for the people and passions closest to my heart. I was incredulous that I had been conned by the Wrights to pay them for the "opportunity" to work for them: PR, housekeeping, errands,poison weeds to beautify their property. When I announced. I was leaving, I was verbally abused and shunned. There were some in my group that I thought would connect with me after the required 1 year shunning, but no one did. It took me almost 2 years and therapy to heal from the mind disturbance/trauma. I was afraid they would try to harm me, my family or my reputation in some way. That was probably not likely but shows the power I believed the Wrights had over my world. Bob and Judith are narcissistic and have perfected their con. How they package it may change, but Narcissists are not likely to change. The problem is, no one who joins a cult thinks they belong to a cult. It may be hard if not impossible for you to convince your daughter she is involved with a cult. You could ask her to explore how much debt that wright students are carrying. I was stunned when I started awakening to this. Good luck with your daughter.
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Re: Path of Love retreat - Any info?

July 8, 2016, 4:52 pm
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What is your instinct telling you? My ex who is actually in a cult , told me about path of love, we went only to a presentation, very weird, he said that people and I guess they mean couples could not have sex,too much control no?
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Re: Bayard Hora/Gavin Barnes

July 9, 2016, 4:55 pm
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I did Direct Centering in the early 80s, when I was only 16. It was a pretty traumatic experience for me.

I got involved through est - I had done est when I was 13 with my parent's blessing ( I was the last holdout in my family - my mother, father, and sisters had all done it).

My mom and dad were rarely home - my dad away teaching or lecturing, my mom volunteering for est. So I found that though I could not get a ride or get funded to take dance classes or anything normal, I could get funds and rides if I wanted to participate in est.

I'll describe my est experiences on the appropriate thread, but suffice to say, it was a lot milder than DC. DC was f-ing insane. First of all, I travel to Philadelphia by train and am met by "Joe". Joe takes me to an apartment he shares with several members of the group. Day one of the event, I was really confused by what it was I was supposed to be 'getting'. You stood on stage and were supposed to be present, and cry and freak out and I don't know what. The assistants held on to a bit of info I had revealed that I didnt' want to be like my mom and started trying to convince me I was exactly like her. One of them came up on stage and started tapping me on the head with a plastic hammer, to annoy me to the breaking point.

I freaked out and beat her up - pushing her into the stairs, while everyone laughed at me.

That night, I went with my other est friends to stay at Joe's apartment. He came in late when we were all sleeping, with an attractive female assistant, and the two of them proceeded to loudly make love in the middle of the room. I was a virgin and was really embarrassed and freaked out by this display.

Day two was more of the same.

I can't believe my parents allowed me to do this workshop, and I stayed far away from est, DC and any other group after that.
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Re: Bayard Hora/Gavin Barnes

July 10, 2016, 9:13 am
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Hi terramaid, I was surprised to find a new post on this thread. I got an automated email alert about it earlier this morning. Yours is the first in 5 years(!).

So you did the DC course at 16 unaccompanied by either of your parents? That was negligent of them. DC was already pretty bizarre by the time I left, but I guess it got even more bizarre afterwards. Tapping you on the head with a plastic hammer while on stage? Physical conflicts? Sex in front of a teenager without a second thought? Craziness was flourishing there, and I'm sure Bayard enjoyed orchestrating all of it.

I know someone, a fairly well-known and controversial writer, whose mom had her do the est training when she was 13 years old, way back in January 1979 here in New York City in the same training I did. She had been sexually abused multiple times when she was younger, and she absorbed the idea from est that she was responsible for her sexual abuse, a lesson that screwed her up for a long time. It's sad that parents were oblivious to the possible traumatic consequences of having their teenagers do these workshops, but then again, parents can be so oblivious to so many things. I'm sure there are countless other people with stories like this out there.

I'm curious about what motivated you to find this discussion about DC at the point in time. I'm always happy to correspond through private messages if you want.
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Re: LGATS - one person's experience of Lifespring

July 11, 2016, 8:30 am
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They tried to get me to attend "Sex and Sensuality"; thank heavens I didn't! Afterwards, one of the staff told me about some of the things that were shared by participants (many of whom I knew from other courses.) Basically, it was gossip, after everyone involved had promised to keep things completely confidential. I couldn't look some of these people in the face ever again. I really don't need to know who has had sex with their dog.

I was also told that during an Advanced course years before I took it, a woman complained that she had never masturbated. So the leader obligingly turned the lights down low and the music up, and invited the woman to do just that on the floor of the hotel ballroom. If I had known THAT, I would have NEVER participated in any of this nonsense. In fairness, the staff was furious about it.

I wish I had seen this forum before I attended the training, but I did get a lot out of the experience (but not what I expected.) I learned that I am a "pleaser" and have been my whole life. I learned that I easily subscribe to crowd mentality. I learned to rely on myself and to only associate with people who make me feel good about myself rather than bad about myself. I learned that my own moral core is not up for debate or discussion. And I learned to follow my instincts.

Like you, I feel totally free. It's wonderful. I guess I had to hit bottom first.
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Re: LGATS - one person's experience of Lifespring

July 11, 2016, 9:29 pm
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wow. That was sick. Open masturbation in LGAT training. Has to be a good lawyer out there willing to take these scumbags on.

If I were a lawyer I would do it free.

Glad you're out of there!
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