Corboy's citizen opinion:
Unless coaching defines itself as a fiduciary profession, it has no future as a true profession.
Fiduciary Relationship in Counseling
[www.google.com]
Look at what people entrust to a coach:
* confidential information about themselves, finances, their family friends, work relationships.
* Confidential information about their company
* They may weep or rage in front of the coach
A coaching client is vulnerable in relaltion to the coach and deserves protection. A coaching client may forget he or she has basic human rights if vulnerable.
A coaching client's records have to be protected.
And what a client discloses must not be exploited by the coach or gossiped by the coach to any third party that might exploit that information.
A true professional, a professional coach (vs an indoctrination technician calling themselves a coach) --a professional coach defines him or herself as a fiduciary.
Persons genuinely interested in creating a profession are eager to discuss this and define this. LGAT technicians will attempt to disrupt such discussions or leave.
Therapists are Fiduciaries
[forum.culteducation.com]
Here is a big difference between professional coaches
and the LGAT stooges:
In LGATs it is a condition of participation that subjects must sign away their right to sue for damages. The LGAT never accepts responsibility.
Examples:
Mankind Project
[forum.culteducation.com]
[forum.culteducation.com]
Byron Katie
[forum.culteducation.com]
The Anticult wrote:
A true professional by contrast, is defined by law as a fiduciary, as having a duty of care for clients.
A profession is comprised of people who want to be "too academic"
and want to do the work of thinking things through and are adult enough
to then desire mutual discussion.
A profession begins with the "too academic" work of defining its terms, its decorum (standards for
written and spoken language, its ethics within the profession and its commitment to do no harm and always serve best interests of clients.
Instead, what you are describing are people who want to impose their pet ideas upon
passive recipients.
They can only cope with those who:
* Already share their pet ideas and will echo their ideas
* Newbies uncritically receptive to their ideas
The only hope for the field of coaching is to create a profession that filters out indoctrinators posing as educators. Perhaps a great way would be to begin by insisting that a required subject would be legal obligations of coaches toward clients and drafting specific forms. Have some lawyers on hand.
If anyone tries to disrupt this, tell them to leave if they don't like it.
A clear distinction has to be made between education versus indoctrination. And if coaching is to
become a profession practitioners must recognize they have the thankless task of cleaning out the Augean Stables.
A professional is an educator, not an indoctrinator. A professional thrives on being 'too academic'. A professional knows she is doing her job when accused of being elitist.
Professionals do not make promises beyond what is supported by current research
Professionals make referrals. They do not seek to monopolize publicity, fame, fortune and do not trash talk others in their field.
Professionals recognize their limitations. Indoctrinators do not. Indoctrinators have total solutions. Professionals do not. That is why people bitch about professionals.
A profession takes active steps to protect the public from fraudulent counterfeits and provides guidelines for identifying qualified practitioners -- and ways to report fraudulent practitioners.
Unless coaching defines itself as a fiduciary profession, it has no future as a true profession.
Fiduciary Relationship in Counseling
[www.google.com]
Look at what people entrust to a coach:
* confidential information about themselves, finances, their family friends, work relationships.
* Confidential information about their company
* They may weep or rage in front of the coach
A coaching client is vulnerable in relaltion to the coach and deserves protection. A coaching client may forget he or she has basic human rights if vulnerable.
A coaching client's records have to be protected.
And what a client discloses must not be exploited by the coach or gossiped by the coach to any third party that might exploit that information.
A true professional, a professional coach (vs an indoctrination technician calling themselves a coach) --a professional coach defines him or herself as a fiduciary.
Persons genuinely interested in creating a profession are eager to discuss this and define this. LGAT technicians will attempt to disrupt such discussions or leave.
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'Clients have the right to know in advance that they are being subjected to experimental approaches.
'Therapists have the fiduciary obligation of informing clients when such methods are being used.
'Therapists have the further responsiblity of informing clients that alternative therapeutic approaches are available and that these approaches are based on methods commonly accepted within the professional psychological community....as fiduciaries, therapists must ensure that psychotherapy furthers the aims and purposes of clients, rather than adding to the prestige, self image, or feelings of power and control of the therapist'--(or, interpolates Corboy) the therapist's guru or 'teacher'.
(Lilienfeld, Lynn and Lohr, Science and Pseudoscience in Clinical Psychology page 201)
Therapists are Fiduciaries
[forum.culteducation.com]
Here is a big difference between professional coaches
and the LGAT stooges:
In LGATs it is a condition of participation that subjects must sign away their right to sue for damages. The LGAT never accepts responsibility.
Examples:
Mankind Project
[forum.culteducation.com]
[forum.culteducation.com]
Byron Katie
[forum.culteducation.com]
The Anticult wrote:
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People need to be very very careful when they run into these sects that have attached new meanings to so many words.
The people running the sect know that the MEANING of LANGUAGE is the primary aspect of any human's mind. So if they can start to shape those meanings, they shape the mind.
Its a subtle and fast technique of thought-reform, meaning-control, mind-control.
Its very powerful.
A few things to do to Deconstruct Desteni, are to..
- list all of their seminars and workshops, classes, retreats...etc.
- find the actual prices for these workshops and details.
- post the complete content of what goes on inside the workshops, as precisely as possible, all exercises, techniques, etc. (they always try to keep that secret, of course, that is a technique).
- list the belief systems of the group.
- locate the disclaimers/waivers they use for their workshops, and then post them in this thread.
The public has a RIGHT to be able to specifically review the precise content of any workshop, the total prices, the beliefs of the sect, and the DISCLAIMERS and WAIVERS before they sign-up, and while they are at home and not under pressure.
Where are the waivers for Desteni, if they use them?
A true professional by contrast, is defined by law as a fiduciary, as having a duty of care for clients.
A profession is comprised of people who want to be "too academic"
and want to do the work of thinking things through and are adult enough
to then desire mutual discussion.
A profession begins with the "too academic" work of defining its terms, its decorum (standards for
written and spoken language, its ethics within the profession and its commitment to do no harm and always serve best interests of clients.
Instead, what you are describing are people who want to impose their pet ideas upon
passive recipients.
They can only cope with those who:
* Already share their pet ideas and will echo their ideas
* Newbies uncritically receptive to their ideas
The only hope for the field of coaching is to create a profession that filters out indoctrinators posing as educators. Perhaps a great way would be to begin by insisting that a required subject would be legal obligations of coaches toward clients and drafting specific forms. Have some lawyers on hand.
If anyone tries to disrupt this, tell them to leave if they don't like it.
A clear distinction has to be made between education versus indoctrination. And if coaching is to
become a profession practitioners must recognize they have the thankless task of cleaning out the Augean Stables.
A professional is an educator, not an indoctrinator. A professional thrives on being 'too academic'. A professional knows she is doing her job when accused of being elitist.
Professionals do not make promises beyond what is supported by current research
Professionals make referrals. They do not seek to monopolize publicity, fame, fortune and do not trash talk others in their field.
Professionals recognize their limitations. Indoctrinators do not. Indoctrinators have total solutions. Professionals do not. That is why people bitch about professionals.
A profession takes active steps to protect the public from fraudulent counterfeits and provides guidelines for identifying qualified practitioners -- and ways to report fraudulent practitioners.