Be very careful with this group. Most of the so-called trainers are ex-Lifespring which was a very dangerous group in the 80s and 90s. Lifespring caused the deaths of a number of people, they caused psychological damage to many people. LS was eventually shut down around 1995 due to the vast number of claims and lawsuits against them, bearing in mind there must have been many more they settled before trial. Everyone is looking for answers but let the buyer beware. They may not have the answers you want. So Lifespring was shut down, the Federal Reporter (US Law Reports) is full of cases against them but the 'trainers' can regroup and rebrand and do it all again. The description of heavy sales pressure to bring in family and new members, the long hours of 'training', the control and manipulation I am reading on these pages sound very familiar. As I said, be very, very careful with this group. You could be one of the people whose mind is seriously damaged and if that happens it could take years to heal.
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Re: ChoiceCenter - Wanting to Know About Others' Experiences
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Re: Choice Center- Los Vegas
Be very careful with this group. Most of the so-called trainers are ex-Lifespring which was a very dangerous group in the 80s and 90s. Lifespring caused the deaths of a number of people, they caused psychological damage to many people. LS was eventually shut down around 1995 due to the vast number of claims and lawsuits against them, bearing in mind there must have been many more they settled before trial. Everyone is looking for answers but let the buyer beware. They may not have the answers you want. So Lifespring was shut down, the Federal Reporter (US Law Reports) is full of cases against them but the 'trainers' can regroup and rebrand and do it all again. The description of heavy sales pressure to bring in family and new members, the long hours of 'training', the control and manipulation I am reading on these pages sound very familiar. As I said, be very, very careful with this group. You could be one of the people whose mind is seriously damaged and if that happens it could take years to heal.
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Re: LGAT in Concord California
Actually I took a leap of faith and participated in the Successful Living Summit group. While it is LGAT, it was great - I guess someone will say I drank the Kool-Aid, however, I've gotten to know the people, who are just normal people who have changed their language and outlook.
It's a tool to help you be your best self, while accepting yourself as you are, and see how your results are really showing where and what you are committed to.
and I did a TON of investigative work on John Hanley who authored the material, and he is genius.
There was nothing in the trainings that would physically harm you, I suppose if you had a lot of past trauma you should go to a psychotherapist, but where this material is concerned, it isn't a cult - there's invitations to more seminars, if you will, but there's no pressure to do so.
While this isn't a religious training, God is definitely in it. So I wanted to come back and say what I experienced first-hand because there is a lot of negative posts that can be found.
It's a tool to help you be your best self, while accepting yourself as you are, and see how your results are really showing where and what you are committed to.
and I did a TON of investigative work on John Hanley who authored the material, and he is genius.
There was nothing in the trainings that would physically harm you, I suppose if you had a lot of past trauma you should go to a psychotherapist, but where this material is concerned, it isn't a cult - there's invitations to more seminars, if you will, but there's no pressure to do so.
While this isn't a religious training, God is definitely in it. So I wanted to come back and say what I experienced first-hand because there is a lot of negative posts that can be found.
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Re: What happens at an LGAT graduation / free basic intro seminar? It's creepy. (PSI Seminars)
Agree, though I wasn't at a low point in my life I decided to check it out because one of my family members was getting involved and I wanted to know what was up.
I had a great experience with the processes which helped me to see how I was showing up in my life outside of the group training which gave me what I needed to step up to the world plate.
There was an exercise or two that didn't really 'do' much for me, but maybe they were helpful to others.
I've completed the full course that was offered and I don't regret it at all.
I'm a normal person in the working world middle aged with adult children.
I don't much like how they 'enroll' people because it 'feels' pressurized - mostly I think that's because it's all word of mouth.
And yes, there are a lot of volunteers, but here's the deal, you don't HAVE to volunteer, it's a personal choice. They also have paid staff, just like any other seminar type scenario.
So, now that I've done it - I can say it's not a cult and if there's chatter about that, I say it's because evil wants to over-rule good.
I had a great experience with the processes which helped me to see how I was showing up in my life outside of the group training which gave me what I needed to step up to the world plate.
There was an exercise or two that didn't really 'do' much for me, but maybe they were helpful to others.
I've completed the full course that was offered and I don't regret it at all.
I'm a normal person in the working world middle aged with adult children.
I don't much like how they 'enroll' people because it 'feels' pressurized - mostly I think that's because it's all word of mouth.
And yes, there are a lot of volunteers, but here's the deal, you don't HAVE to volunteer, it's a personal choice. They also have paid staff, just like any other seminar type scenario.
So, now that I've done it - I can say it's not a cult and if there's chatter about that, I say it's because evil wants to over-rule good.
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Re: Pathways Core Training in Dallas, Texas
I would like to meet any local people who say this is organization is legit. I live in the DFW area. Thinking more and more about what I have read. While it may legally not be considered a cult. I hate the organization. Also, isn't it shady that Mr. Boyd was removed from the organization. My guess is because they admitted a Jewish member on the board and then within a year he was gone and I wonder if Boyd didn't say anything anti semetic about the guy. Like I said these people need to be investigated. If anyone has the ability to report the guy to Texas Bar although my situation happened over 5 years ago this is his bar #. I would love to see this organization out of business.
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Re: What happens at an LGAT graduation / free basic intro seminar? It's creepy. (PSI Seminars)
titLwayhalnoyou wrote:
"So, now that I've done it - I can say it's not a cult and if there's chatter about that, I say it's because evil wants to over-rule good."
Are you kidding me? They attempt to normalize incest and pedophilia, and blame rape victims for their own attacks. If you don't believe me, read the last post, (on Page 1), in this link:
[forum.culteducation.com]
These people are sick! On top of that, they'll tell you that the holocaust was "no big deal."
As to the volunteers, (for one thing, we were not allowed to call ourselves "volunteers," because they use language to skirt the law), even they are set up to fail at every other task, so that some staff member, (or a more "advanced" volunteer), can ask them how that feels, for the purpose of mining more information about what bothers that person the most, the better to f#ck with them EVEN MORE.
Their sole and entire goal, for volunteers, participants and even staff members, is to scramble your brain and cause as much frustration and confusion as possible, because frustrated and confused people are so much easier to control. The entire concept of "popping" is giving up and letting them take your hand and lead you wherever they want, and you are NOT to ask questions, (especially not "where are we going?"), other than, "what do you want me to do, oh Master?"
I got the "special" treatment because my recruiter told me that Werner Erhard had sold the company to some people, and i asked, "To whom?" I wanted to know who was behind it. (Now I've read that it was sold to "employees." Who were they connected to, other than W.E.? I smelled a huge rat).
Nope. Not cult-like AT ALL.
"So, now that I've done it - I can say it's not a cult and if there's chatter about that, I say it's because evil wants to over-rule good."
Are you kidding me? They attempt to normalize incest and pedophilia, and blame rape victims for their own attacks. If you don't believe me, read the last post, (on Page 1), in this link:
[forum.culteducation.com]
These people are sick! On top of that, they'll tell you that the holocaust was "no big deal."
As to the volunteers, (for one thing, we were not allowed to call ourselves "volunteers," because they use language to skirt the law), even they are set up to fail at every other task, so that some staff member, (or a more "advanced" volunteer), can ask them how that feels, for the purpose of mining more information about what bothers that person the most, the better to f#ck with them EVEN MORE.
Their sole and entire goal, for volunteers, participants and even staff members, is to scramble your brain and cause as much frustration and confusion as possible, because frustrated and confused people are so much easier to control. The entire concept of "popping" is giving up and letting them take your hand and lead you wherever they want, and you are NOT to ask questions, (especially not "where are we going?"), other than, "what do you want me to do, oh Master?"
I got the "special" treatment because my recruiter told me that Werner Erhard had sold the company to some people, and i asked, "To whom?" I wanted to know who was behind it. (Now I've read that it was sold to "employees." Who were they connected to, other than W.E.? I smelled a huge rat).
Nope. Not cult-like AT ALL.
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about mental health
I have a heavy issue about my health
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Re: The Wright Institute for Lifelong Learning?
It is striking how much of the language and tactics used by the NXIVM cult are employed by the Wrights.
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Journalist Raised in an LGAT Looking for People to Share Their Est/Lifespring/MITT Experiences
Hey all,
I'm a journalist working on a new investigative podcast for Kast Media about Large Group Awareness Trainings. I'm looking for people who are willing to share their personal experiences in LGATs. Happy to use pseudonyms if that makes anyone feel more comfortable.
I grew up inside a Lifespring spinoff in Oregon called Wings. My parents met in a seminar in the 80s, started working for the company, and raised me on a steady diet of LGAT processes. I was assisting on seminar backup teams by the time I was 16.
I left that world when I moved out of the house and didn't look back. But still, years later, those old LGAT teachings are so deeply etched in my brain that I struggle to untangle myself from that way of thinking.
This podcast is partially a deep-dive into the history of LGATs and partially a way for me to understand the world I grew up in... and hopefully get some distance.
I have been a member of this forum for years -- I actually wrote an exposé for VICE about a cult called Desteni back in 2015 with help from this community. I'd love to speak to anyone willing to share their own stories about LGATs. In particular, Est/Landmark, Lifespring, Psi World, or the copycat group MITT currently operating in LA.
I look forward to speaking to you and hearing your stories.
Thanks so much,
River
river@kastmedia.com
I'm a journalist working on a new investigative podcast for Kast Media about Large Group Awareness Trainings. I'm looking for people who are willing to share their personal experiences in LGATs. Happy to use pseudonyms if that makes anyone feel more comfortable.
I grew up inside a Lifespring spinoff in Oregon called Wings. My parents met in a seminar in the 80s, started working for the company, and raised me on a steady diet of LGAT processes. I was assisting on seminar backup teams by the time I was 16.
I left that world when I moved out of the house and didn't look back. But still, years later, those old LGAT teachings are so deeply etched in my brain that I struggle to untangle myself from that way of thinking.
This podcast is partially a deep-dive into the history of LGATs and partially a way for me to understand the world I grew up in... and hopefully get some distance.
I have been a member of this forum for years -- I actually wrote an exposé for VICE about a cult called Desteni back in 2015 with help from this community. I'd love to speak to anyone willing to share their own stories about LGATs. In particular, Est/Landmark, Lifespring, Psi World, or the copycat group MITT currently operating in LA.
I look forward to speaking to you and hearing your stories.
Thanks so much,
River
river@kastmedia.com
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Pathways Core Training
I would like to meet any local people who say this is organization is legit. I live in the DFW area. Thinking more and more about what I have read. While it may legally not be considered a cult. I hate the organization. Also, isn't it shady that Mr. Boyd was removed from the organization. My guess is because they admitted a Jewish member on the board and then within a year he was gone and I wonder if Boyd didn't say anything anti semetic about the guy. Like I said these people need to be investigated. If anyone has the ability to report the guy to Texas Bar although my situation happened over 5 years ago this is his bar #. I would love to see this organization out of business.
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Psi Seminars - divorce correlation?
My husband of 38 years recently attended Psi Basic, then signed up and attended Psi 7 Life Success course. While I don't think Psi is a cult, what I read makes me think there are some brainwashing techniques used. I would assume they do this so people become enamored of the programs and want to spend more money. My husband didn't sign up for the 3rd level course, so at least that is something,
Five days after he got home from Psi 7 he told me he wanted a divorce. This was completely out of the blue for me and I just feel devastated. Note that I read about Psi before he went to Basic and told him I was extremely uncomfortable with his attending. I listed many reasons, including me not thinking it would be good considering he was depressed. I also told him I had read that lots of people get divorced shortly after going. One report said 90% but honestly I don't know how anyone would be tracking those numbers. He replied that while he was incredibly sad it was about him not loving himself and that he had no desire to divorce me and I didn't need to worry about that,
Anyone else have a similar experience? Any advice on helping him get help to get past this when he doesn't want to get help?
Five days after he got home from Psi 7 he told me he wanted a divorce. This was completely out of the blue for me and I just feel devastated. Note that I read about Psi before he went to Basic and told him I was extremely uncomfortable with his attending. I listed many reasons, including me not thinking it would be good considering he was depressed. I also told him I had read that lots of people get divorced shortly after going. One report said 90% but honestly I don't know how anyone would be tracking those numbers. He replied that while he was incredibly sad it was about him not loving himself and that he had no desire to divorce me and I didn't need to worry about that,
Anyone else have a similar experience? Any advice on helping him get help to get past this when he doesn't want to get help?
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Re: Psi Seminars - divorce correlation?
Welcome to CEI message board, worried fam.
Others have come here with questions about Psi Seminars.
Here's a place to look.
ttps://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?4,search=Psi+Seminars,author=,page=1,match_type=PHRASE,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL,match_threads=0
Others have come here with questions about Psi Seminars.
Here's a place to look.
ttps://forum.culteducation.com/search.php?4,search=Psi+Seminars,author=,page=1,match_type=PHRASE,match_dates=0,match_forum=ALL,match_threads=0
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Re: Psi Seminars - divorce correlation?
corboy, thank you for this link. The one "legal action" was super enlightening. And frightening. I notice that many of the threads are pretty old. I will poke around but wondering if anything has changed at PSI. I'm assuming probably not considering the dilemma I find my family in.
I truly love and care about my husband and even if he divorces me I don't want him to ruin his life and other relationships, particularly with our adult children. In our situation I am not worried about him spending money on more seminars, though he also tells me he doesn't plan to. But it is as though he is trying to blow up his life and start over. He wants to divorce me and I see that he is closing other people out of his life because they don't do what he thinks they should do and he takes it all so personally.
This is all so confusing. And he says by suggesting the PSI was a cause that I'm not taking responsibility for my part in the destruction of our marriage. Maybe he's right. However there are all kinds of red flags and changes in his behavior. He doesn't have a lot of personal support besides me, and is now relying on his new PSI friends for support.
I truly love and care about my husband and even if he divorces me I don't want him to ruin his life and other relationships, particularly with our adult children. In our situation I am not worried about him spending money on more seminars, though he also tells me he doesn't plan to. But it is as though he is trying to blow up his life and start over. He wants to divorce me and I see that he is closing other people out of his life because they don't do what he thinks they should do and he takes it all so personally.
This is all so confusing. And he says by suggesting the PSI was a cause that I'm not taking responsibility for my part in the destruction of our marriage. Maybe he's right. However there are all kinds of red flags and changes in his behavior. He doesn't have a lot of personal support besides me, and is now relying on his new PSI friends for support.
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Exiting LGAT
I so appreciate this forum! I attended the landmark forum and advanced course last fall. I had researched landmark before attending, but didn’t find much. Pressures of life and some negative experiences with landmark have caused me to research landmark again. Glad I found this website. So far here is my experience with LGAT.
Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT)is a thing and Landmark is one of these groups. LGAT generally weave sales and recruitment into their transformation curriculum. But the sales training is covert or hidden. I see in landmark the covert sales training curriculum that is meant to transform members into sales reps for the landmark business. The sales training curriculum is a hidden curriculum entwined within the curriculum of transformation. If members do not succeed in selling and recruiting people into landmark, they fail at transforming their own lives, according to landmark. This is what I am recovering from. It is a dangerous tactic.
Like I said, I took the advance course last fall, each day was about 10 hours long on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It left me feeling beat up. It took me days to recover from the three days of incongurincies in the lecture, demands that we attend with zoom on and engaged during the 10 hour days, harsh leader who discredited our individual internal guidance system and demanded obedience (keeping my word which amounts to committing to what ever assignment they give).
During the advance course we were assigned to a small group of 6 people over the long week-end. The small group met in breakout rooms at least once each day. A group leader volunteered from among us. I anticipated connection and processing transformation with the small group, instead what dominated the experience was the small group leader being held accountable for everyone starting on time and with our zoom video on after each break. She and the group member were called out in front of the big group for anyone who was not logged on with video on. We were told that we let the group leader fail if we did not start on time and have our video on. Who leads a transformational training course this way!
By Sunday I was exhausted. I had been working two jobs for 4 months and renovating my house every week-end for 4 months. I needed to take a couple of hours for myself on Sunday ( they were 10 hour days), but didn’t because of the pressure from the landmark leader. The brutality was life sucking.
During landmark sessions I heard double talk from the leaders. I heard gaslighting. Members are given assignments at the end of each session, which almost always includes sharing our landmark experience with 1 to 3 other people. We had less than 12 hours to complete the assignments during the advanced course and were blamed for not keeping our word (not doing all of the assignment)and for not be committed to our own transformation.
The covert, high pressure sales training and expectations to recruit people into the program were too much for me. I hear the discrepancies from the leaders between the part of the training that is for transformation and the training that is sales focused. The covert curriculum and pressure on members to sell Landmark to friends, family and strangers is brutal.
People can experience transformation with landmark, but they are simutaniously being brain washed by the hidden curriculum to sell and recruit for landmark business. Their success in landmark is based on their ability to sell, not transforming their lives.
Landmark could benefit someone who works in sales and wants to increase their sales or who wants to build their own business. But if you are looking for transformation that includes compassion, caring and connection, Landmark is not the place to go.
Large Group Awareness Training (LGAT)is a thing and Landmark is one of these groups. LGAT generally weave sales and recruitment into their transformation curriculum. But the sales training is covert or hidden. I see in landmark the covert sales training curriculum that is meant to transform members into sales reps for the landmark business. The sales training curriculum is a hidden curriculum entwined within the curriculum of transformation. If members do not succeed in selling and recruiting people into landmark, they fail at transforming their own lives, according to landmark. This is what I am recovering from. It is a dangerous tactic.
Like I said, I took the advance course last fall, each day was about 10 hours long on Friday, Saturday and Sunday. It left me feeling beat up. It took me days to recover from the three days of incongurincies in the lecture, demands that we attend with zoom on and engaged during the 10 hour days, harsh leader who discredited our individual internal guidance system and demanded obedience (keeping my word which amounts to committing to what ever assignment they give).
During the advance course we were assigned to a small group of 6 people over the long week-end. The small group met in breakout rooms at least once each day. A group leader volunteered from among us. I anticipated connection and processing transformation with the small group, instead what dominated the experience was the small group leader being held accountable for everyone starting on time and with our zoom video on after each break. She and the group member were called out in front of the big group for anyone who was not logged on with video on. We were told that we let the group leader fail if we did not start on time and have our video on. Who leads a transformational training course this way!
By Sunday I was exhausted. I had been working two jobs for 4 months and renovating my house every week-end for 4 months. I needed to take a couple of hours for myself on Sunday ( they were 10 hour days), but didn’t because of the pressure from the landmark leader. The brutality was life sucking.
During landmark sessions I heard double talk from the leaders. I heard gaslighting. Members are given assignments at the end of each session, which almost always includes sharing our landmark experience with 1 to 3 other people. We had less than 12 hours to complete the assignments during the advanced course and were blamed for not keeping our word (not doing all of the assignment)and for not be committed to our own transformation.
The covert, high pressure sales training and expectations to recruit people into the program were too much for me. I hear the discrepancies from the leaders between the part of the training that is for transformation and the training that is sales focused. The covert curriculum and pressure on members to sell Landmark to friends, family and strangers is brutal.
People can experience transformation with landmark, but they are simutaniously being brain washed by the hidden curriculum to sell and recruit for landmark business. Their success in landmark is based on their ability to sell, not transforming their lives.
Landmark could benefit someone who works in sales and wants to increase their sales or who wants to build their own business. But if you are looking for transformation that includes compassion, caring and connection, Landmark is not the place to go.
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Suicidal from LGAT
Hello. I’m not sure how to even begin. I went to Choice center in Las Vegas in 2016 at the continued request from my older sister. She was and currently is a head coach there. I want to preface with the fact that I have always suffered from mental illness. I have borderline personality disorder and my sister knew this when begging me to go. Despite the numerous waivers I had to sign and the fact that it clearly stated this was not a place for people with a serious mental illness, my sister still insisted it was safe to go. I won’t even go into detail the disgusting behavior I witnessed from trainers and coaches there. We all know the abuse. I just want to say if you’re here to tell me these places are not awful, please do not post to this message. We have nothing to discuss and you will only serve to pollute this conversation. If you still decide to post, it is proof to me you are nothing but a troll. Anyways, fast forward through the program, and you can guess it had pretty horrific effects on me. I have continued horrific flash backs and the fact that my sister is still in love with this place and continues to bring it up and try to get my family to go makes it impossible for me to move on and recover. I have spoken to her so many times but the fact is it’s her life and she will never change. She knows how it hurt me and exactly how I feel. I now feel a hatred towards her I can’t escape. I deal with horrible anxiety and anger every time she calls me. She’s very explosive if I ever tell her to stop bringing up Choice so it’s gotten to the point where I just sit there and deal with it because I’m exhausted from asking her to keep it to herself. I feel enormous hurt just from the fact that she still is involved with this toxic place that caused me so much harm and still is trying to get the people I love to go. The knowledge now after discovering this site and how many people are harmed by these places makes me sick. I had zero idea that these places were seen as true cults by experts in the field (Ross, Singer, Langone). My sister has always said the only people that think it’s a cult are just angry people who couldn’t cut it at Choice. Anyways I now have seething hatred towards my sister and deep resentment. We talk regularly and she has zero idea I’m here thinking about killing myself because I hate her so much while she rambles on. I just can’t take the screaming matches with her anymore so I don’t have the energy to tell her. She would just yell and cry at me that it’s not fair etc. I feel totally hopeless and alone. I’ve gone through so many years of therapy for my mental illness and finally had enough that I can’t imagine going back for this issue. I feel at the end of my rope and want to end it all. I think it’s the invalidation that makes me suicidal. The fact that I know she thinks Choice harmed me because I’m “ill” and not because they are all horribly abusive in the way they treat people. It feels like my uncle raped me and I’m trying to go to the police and they are telling me it’s my fault. And every day my uncle calls me on the phone to chat and tells me not to be so sensitive, meanwhile trying to groom my younger brother (the person my sister is trying to enroll). I don’t know what to do. This is my last attempt to find some way to get better before seriously considering harming myself.
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Re: Exiting LGAT
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If members do not succeed in selling and recruiting people into landmark, they fail at transforming their own lives, according to landmark.
That's really the crux of it and though I've never attended Landmark (I know several people who have) I suspect this kind of Pavlovian reinforcement is inherent throughout the programme. This is what exposes the true face of Landmark: it's a multi-level marketing scheme except that they don't pretend that the "distributors" are going to make any money.
I think the notion that people can experience transformation is one that needs further scrutiny. Though I'm sure the soap that Amway sell is effective on grease and grime, that's not the core of their business, it's built on continual downline growth and most distributors probably make a loss (some ending up in credit card debt) before they quit.
That's what's so insidious about LGATs. With an MLM at least you can measure progress (or lack of it) over time in dollars. With LGAT the measurement is your self-image which they are constantly manipulating through gaslighting (and positive or negative reinforcement as reward/punishment for how well you meet recruitment targets). If you're not succeeding the solution is to give Landmark more of your money.
What really needs highlighted is that people running LGATs are not qualified, they have no credentials to be playing with psychotherapy-type techniques. They're no more than pyramid salesmen. If any of it was legit you would be able to do courses like these in colleges or in the psychology departments of leading universities. And some colleges do provide courses in personal development - but they are accredited and probably a lot cheaper than most LGATs
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Re: Getting back my life and thoughts after LGAT/ Landmark
I don't know if you're still on here Nettie, but thanks so much for sharing your story and your insights. It has been so helpful to me as I've been further unpacking my five-year experience at Landmark recently. They also made me laugh out loud, you have a great way of satirising ridiculous Landmark concepts!
I was so saddened to hear about the person who committed suicide too, I had to deal with listening on the phone during an 'assisting agreement' to someone telling me their partner had committed suicide. Of course I got no real help afterward and I imagine you didn't either, so help you were able to deal with that trauma in a supportive way whether via therapy, friends, support groups etc. Because that stuff really does have a massive impact and I certainly feel it and the whole Landmark experience contributed to PTSD, which am experiencing the delayed onset of now eight years after the experience.
I hope you are doing ok now and solidarity! I am at the moment doing my best to expose these dangerous predators and I've been sending people to your posts.
I was so saddened to hear about the person who committed suicide too, I had to deal with listening on the phone during an 'assisting agreement' to someone telling me their partner had committed suicide. Of course I got no real help afterward and I imagine you didn't either, so help you were able to deal with that trauma in a supportive way whether via therapy, friends, support groups etc. Because that stuff really does have a massive impact and I certainly feel it and the whole Landmark experience contributed to PTSD, which am experiencing the delayed onset of now eight years after the experience.
I hope you are doing ok now and solidarity! I am at the moment doing my best to expose these dangerous predators and I've been sending people to your posts.
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My On Belief podcast interview on Landmark and vulnerabilities of being neurodivergent
Hi Everyone,
Just wanted to share this podcast interview I did where I talk about the susceptibility of neurodivergent, multiply-marginalised people to cults. I talk a lot about my experience in Landmark in it from 2009-2014.
Hopefully it helps get the word out about this dangerous abusive LGAT and how they target vulnerable neurodivergent people like me (ADHD/ASD): [onbelief.fireside.fm]
Just wanted to share this podcast interview I did where I talk about the susceptibility of neurodivergent, multiply-marginalised people to cults. I talk a lot about my experience in Landmark in it from 2009-2014.
Hopefully it helps get the word out about this dangerous abusive LGAT and how they target vulnerable neurodivergent people like me (ADHD/ASD): [onbelief.fireside.fm]
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Re: Exiting LGAT
I've been on this message board over 20 years and can tell you Landmark did produce one item in abundance:
Trolls.
Persistent, devious, vicious, threatening and deceitful trolls.
Trolls.
Persistent, devious, vicious, threatening and deceitful trolls.
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Re: LGAT in Concord California
titLwayhalnoyou Wrote:
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> and I did a TON of investigative work on John
> Hanley who authored the material, and he is
> genius.
Really, you did a ton of research? tell us all about it? the man has no soul. have you ever met him in person. i have. all he cares about is lining his pockets
> There was nothing in the trainings that would
> physically harm you, I suppose if you had a lot of
> past trauma you should go to a psychotherapist,
> but where this material is concerned, it isn't a
> cult - there's invitations to more seminars, if
> you will, but there's no pressure to do so.
> While this isn't a religious training, God is
> definitely in it. So I wanted to come back and say
> what I experienced first-hand because there is a
> lot of negative posts that can be found.
some of this material is in-fact psychotherapy and is implemented by with no one with the correct training. there is no license on site to practice. take your apologist self someplace else. you are just the newest in a line of robots to defend them.
it’s laughable that you say there is no pressure to attend further seminars - we literally spent 75% of the time making sure people were signing up and paying for more seminars ……the actual point of these is just to sign up more people for more money….it’s all about pressure
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> and I did a TON of investigative work on John
> Hanley who authored the material, and he is
> genius.
Really, you did a ton of research? tell us all about it? the man has no soul. have you ever met him in person. i have. all he cares about is lining his pockets
> There was nothing in the trainings that would
> physically harm you, I suppose if you had a lot of
> past trauma you should go to a psychotherapist,
> but where this material is concerned, it isn't a
> cult - there's invitations to more seminars, if
> you will, but there's no pressure to do so.
> While this isn't a religious training, God is
> definitely in it. So I wanted to come back and say
> what I experienced first-hand because there is a
> lot of negative posts that can be found.
some of this material is in-fact psychotherapy and is implemented by with no one with the correct training. there is no license on site to practice. take your apologist self someplace else. you are just the newest in a line of robots to defend them.
it’s laughable that you say there is no pressure to attend further seminars - we literally spent 75% of the time making sure people were signing up and paying for more seminars ……the actual point of these is just to sign up more people for more money….it’s all about pressure
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